Just 4% of British Women Are OK with a 16 YO Girl Dating a 40 YO Man

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1. The gender disparity in attitudes towards sex is pretty similar or even bigger than the acknowledged and widely discussed Democrat/Republican voting difference between young men and women.

   For example, before last year’s election, 44% of young women identified as Democrats, whilst 32% of young men did so. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-growing-gender-gap-among-young-people/

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2. Hello theantifeminist,

   I am a new reader on this blog here. Originally, I found you via Eivind Berge. I found him by accident on Youtube. By accident I mean I wasn’t looking specifically for him on there. I think he had or still has his blog linked to his Youtube account. From reading his blogs and the comments I found your blog, I think you linked your blog a couple of weeks ago in the comments. Okay, so much for how I ended up here. I have seen the two of you going back and forth about attracting new readers. Well, here is another one.

   I want to emphasize and highlight that I am not a pedophile or condone pedophilia in any way shape or form. But, and this is a very important but, I only accept the only true definition of pedophilia, the attraction to prepubescent little children. So I am not talking about the recent false application of these words were you are called one (by most recent modern standards) for being interest in young mature women or depending how old you are as a men. For example, the woman could be 18 years old, petite, youthful glow etc., and people would still call you one just because you happen to be an older man for being attracted to postpubescent sexually mature young women which is completely normal, while if you were 18 yourself then it would be deemed okay. Total nonsense.

   While I appreciate Eivind in the sense that he is openly speaking against, and thus not falling for the pedo hysteria, I think he has a wrong approach to counter this male-hostile development in our society, and is in a way anti-male himself. I also think he is delusional. The fact the he is so against masturbation shows me he is against men in some way. Masturbation is completely normal and healthy for a man. Why should be against this in such spaces that are supposed to be for men.

   Regarding the pedo hysteria itself, it totally went into overdrive. One of the reasons I decided to comment on here, is to show you and other readers here that here and there some men that have not fallen for it exist, or are waking up. Like I already mentioned, you are not a pedophile for being attracted to sexually mature young women. Youth, glow, and being petite doesn’t mean or equate to being a “child” or being “child-like”. Also, you can’t distinguish just with your eyes whether a young woman is 15, 16, 17 or the magical 18 years old. That is not how we evolved, and we humans don’t have this ability to determine the exact age of someone, and then process what we should be attracted to or not. These harsh laws especially in Anglo-Saxon countries are pure insanity. An age of consent between 14-15-16 should be much more normal.
   And I am not a fan of those close in age rules. Either you are sexually mature and ready for sex, and then it doesn’t matter with whom, or you are not, and should not engage in sex at all.

   I stop here with this comment for now to not make it too long. I intend to add on this, and other thoughts in another comment.

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   1. Hi Steve, thanks very much for your comment! And, of course, I agree with everything you said. Look forward to seeing more of your comments here.

      TBH, I don’t think any of Eivind’s readers agree with his ‘proud paedophile’ identity, other than the handful of real paedophiles he’s got there. Unfortunately, Eivind doesn’t listen to advice or feedback, and instead just doubles down in the other direction.

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      1. Thanks for the nice reply and welcome. Definitely continue with writing posts and comments, to gain more traction and spread your blog to those you think might be interest in those ideas and thoughts. There many smaller people like you that share their thoughts and ideas. These blogs, Youtube channels etc. are like little gold nuggets for me.

         To continue with my thoughts: We live in very bad times for men and their sexuality. Never before in human history have men and their totally normal desires been more questioned and attacked like this, socially and legally.

         I agree with you from what I have read in your blogs and comments much more than with Eivind. As far as I understand, he wants to appease women and society as a whole, as if they would become allies and supporters if he does that enough. Never gonna happen with women. And that women also have it bad. No. Anyone should clearly see that men’s sexuality is much more under attack, and recieves much harder backlash and punishment. Are there women that receive harsh sentences, yes, do I think they utterly insane, yes, but compared to men, women have it better, and recieve on average more lenient sentences.

         Even though I cover many topics in my replies so far, the reason I chose this blog post was because it clearly shows what women think about men’s sexuality, desires and relations with younger women. Technically still underage, but this is the UK with an age of consent set to 16. Even though I think the agreement percentage would be higher if they had the age of the women at 18 instead of 16, still many women, and other men for that matter, would feel disgusted and be against it. (Most) women are not our friends, and never will be. Men need to make the change happen. We as men are in this mess because of women and their lap dogs, other male-hostile men. Regarding Russel Brand, I personally don’t think he did everything wrong for having sexual relations with a 16-year-old, assuming it was consentual, and not like the allegations against him. A 16-year-old is a sexually mature young woman, and not a 6-year-old little prepubescent girl. Again good luck saying something like this openly in public in today’s times. We need to ask ourselves where this came from, and why also many men were brainwashed regarding men’s sexuality.
         And also important is the stance to counter this. Appeasement policy, giving in never really improved anything. Men as a whole need to wake up, grow some solidarity to each other (very important), and show strength against anti-male culture.

         Again, will expand on that in further comments.

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         1. Eivind’s whole enterprise is based upon a catastrophically false premise : that women are no more sex hostile than men (or trivially so), and that ‘cultural drift’ will someday enable them to be OK with men having sex with teenage girls, visiting prostitutes, promiscuity and all the rest.
            And it is ironic the he’s posting now about gays being worse off because they receive harsher sentences, and yet if Rind did a similar study comparing the sentences men and women receive for sex with teens, the disparity would be far greater (leaving aside the obvious fact that these laws target men in the first place).
            It staggers me how anybody, let alone somebody who once called themselves a men’s rights activist and read Angry Harry, could possibly think that women are equal victims or even the greater victims of feminist sex laws. Reminds me of Hilarly Clinton’s infamous – “women are the primary victims of war”, and just as manifestly absurd.

            You’re 100% correct in my opinion that we can never hope to get even a majority of women on our side. The best we can hope for is that more women with any influence, such as Judith Levine or Barbara Hewson in the past, speak out in support. But these kind of women will always be black swans.

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3. One big issue about the discussion and the lowering of the age of consent and trying to convince the majority of society that there is no harm for younger people (underage teens) or even lower (which I don’t condone) experiencing it with older people is that such people are trying to do step ten before step one. What do I mean? Like I mentioned in previous comments, men live in horrible times in terms of their desires and sexuality. You posted the poll and what many people think about older men with younger women, and even when legal, is not really approved.

   Now, there is some nuance depending on the age of the younger woman and the gap between them, but in our current modern society men are not “allowed” to like younger women, especially when they exude youth, glow and are petite. It is so bad that men are attacked with those insults and accusations for being attracted to or dating women even in their 20s!, when they happen to be older themselves. “Appropriate” age gaps between men and women are getting smaller and smaller over time. Gen Z seems to be the most retarded generation about this so far, from what I have seen and heard. The infantilization of young adult women even into their twenties has reached its peak so far.

   So before talking about lowering the age of consent and convincing people that there is no harm and whatnot, is to normalize attraction towards young adult women again, and age gaps in general. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are from the UK? The age of consent is already 16 in the UK. Right now in this moment, how would lowering it to 15 or 14 would help you as an (older) man, when you already get called pedophile or nonce or predator for even being attracted
   to young women in their late teens or even early twenties? We live in times where men can’t just openly and nonchalantly try to pick up or date young women without being attacked or under scrutiny. This needs to change first. I remember a couple of years ago how the actor Henry Cavill dated a 19-year-old when he was in his mid-30s I think, and was quite attacked for that. Why? Because nowadays 19-year-olds are considered still “children”. This is just one example out of many. And keep in mind, Henry Cavill is a famous good-looking man, what does that say about average nobodies? And younger people from the UK seem to really like to throw around the words like nonce, nonce, nonce….So good luck lowering the age of consent in such an environment. How many parents nowadays would try to introduce their 18, 19, 20 year old daughter to an established man in his mid 30s for example. Not many. At best it just gets accepted and tolerated, at worst they will hate you, the man, for being in a consentual relationship with their daughter as if she is still a toddler.

   So the first step is to normalize attraction, dating, and sex in combination with age gaps with young ADULT women again.

   Please let me know your thoughts on this.

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   1. You’re right of course, but at the same time I think the current and growing social taboo on even legal age gap relationships grew out of paedohysteria and the introduction of draconian punishments for underage sex (even for cases of the ‘victim’ being just one or two years under the legal age). And once you pretend that teen girls past the menarche are still ‘children’ that require protection, then where does it end?
      In fact, I was predicting all this when I started this blog nearly 20 years ago. Back then, the ‘age gap taboo’ hadn’t nearly been so established, but I often made the point the real aim of feminist driven ‘paedohysteria’ was to make even hot women in their early twenties ‘off the market’ for older men.
      Unlike Eivind, I’ve never really been keen on a specific manifesto (which might include, for example, lowering the age of consent).
      As far as I’m concerned, the real issue with the age of consent is the draconian punishments, as well as the great lie that young teens aren’t sexually attractive.
      And you’re right, even lowering the age of consent wouldn’t be a cure-all, as there would still be the taboo. Ironically, the age gap taboo might even strengthen. I often holidayed in Spain, where the age of consent was 13 until quite recently, and I would still sometimes get called a paedo for just looking at even 16 or 17 year old girls.
      However, I don’t think we should become like most of the MRAs, even the relatively honest ones like ‘City Crusher’, who will openly say that a man having sex with an 18 year old, or even a 16 year old, is nobody’s business if it’s legal (as in the Brand case), but wont touch the subject of whether the age of consent itself is fair.

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4. Good for mentioning CityCrusher. It was really good to hear from him that having sex with 16-year-olds is not pedophilia. In his comment section it is also refreshing to see other people that know that 16-year-olds are hot, and it is not pedophilia. Across many of his videos, many people correct anti-male people when they use the word pedophile wrong in the comments. Tiny drop in an ocean, but still very encouraging. Many people in men’s spaces or the “manosphere” don’t touch these topics at all because they are either still brainwashed or are very afraid to speak their true mind. Many people even in men’s spaces still would like to see you dead, tortured, locked up for saying 17-year-olds are attractive.
   I think with CityCrusher, and others like him, we get the best we can get for now. And it takes bravery to do this with showing your face and real name. And he does a much better job for men than Eivind.

   It seems you are quite? a bit older than I am. Would you mind posting a new blog where you talk about differences between the past decades and now? I would really like to know when the shift really happened. I would say the latest and current state of the pedohysteria came with “me too” movement and this junk science that the brain isn’t “developed enough” until you are 25.

   In another comment I will come back to the attraction of postpubescent young women, and why all the reasoning for being against it is stupid and doesn’t make sense.

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   1. Thanks Steve, and yes, that would be an interesting article as I have lived through all of this. When I was a teenage boy, the best selling newspapers such as The Sun, were publishing topless 16 year old girls on ‘page 3’. The same newspapers that only a decade later were fermenting paedohysteria. (incidentally, one reason for that was because the Sun appointed a hardcore feminist Rebekkah Wade as editor. She later became editor of the Sunday version of The Sun – The News of the World – and successfully campaigned for the introduction of the sex offenders register in the light of the rape and murder of a toddler Sarah Payne).

      Another more ‘saucy’ tabloid in the UK (The Sunday Sport) often published bikini pics of 15 year old girls and counted down the days before they could legally show them topless on their 16th birthdays. I remember once they held a competition for readers with the winner having sex with a 16 year old pornstar.
      Europe was even more liberal.
      Three very obvious things caused this shift from the late 80s to the 90’s.
      The first was the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child in the late 80’s, which ensured that every single country on Earth (except the USA and Somalia which didn’t sign) were obligated to define anybody under 18 as a child, and to stamp out ‘child prostitution and child porn’. The femininists and femiservatives who lobbied for the Convention actually wanted a global age of consent of 18, but the South American countries and others resisted – so things could have been even worse today!
      Then the Dutroux case in Belgium, and later the murder of Sarah Payne mentioned above.

      And don’t forget the antics of Eivind’s fellow paedophile Tom O’Carroll, who succeeded in causing the first real backlash against sexual permissiveness in the 1970’s.

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      1. One obvious thing I left out was that all this was occuring in the context of the growth of the Internet. Suddenly anybody from the USA could watch 16 year old Dutch teen porn without leaving his bedroom (and of course, illegal teen porn). Chatrooms were full of young teens. Sex workers began to move online.
         According to ‘STU theory’, it’s really technology primarily changing the sexual market and increasing ease of access to hot pussy, and feminism responding to that as a sexual trade union or a pussy cartel. Things like the Sarah Payne murder and even the Dutroux case were exploited by feminists, but the underlying motive was in response to the Internet and Globalization. There had obviously been horrendous child murders in the past, for example the Ian Brady and Myra Hindley murders in 1960’s Britain, but they never led to calls for a sex offender register or paedohysteria.
         Also in the 80’s was the Satanic child abuse panic, although I’m not sure how influential this was in Britain and Europe in terms of shaping the next wave of hysteria (modern paedohysteria). But it certainly showed that American dumbfuckery when it comes to sex could cross the ocean and cause irrational panics, even before the Internet.

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5. I heard these stories about the tabloids and showing young women on their cover. I wasn’t either born or probably too young to not have payed attention to it. Unbelievable isn’t it? These weren’t even 18-year-olds, but 15 (clothed) or 16 (topless). Imagine suggesting something like that today. Or even counting down once a young woman becomes legal. And we are not talking centuries ago, but just a few decades. The brainwashing was apparently so successful that just within a few years everything made a 180 turn.

   Incredible that something like that was even possible in the UK. Now with other Anglo-Saxon countries, they seem to be one the countries that are super hostile to men’s attraction to young women even above the age of consent or even above 18 or are against age gaps. Again, keep in mind the aoc is already 16 in the UK. The more I read about this, the more I have to shake my head about the male gender in general, and how we have been duped.

   I still think the change can only come through men themselves. Hoping that women will come to our aid, and make things more normal again, will not happen. More and more men need to free themselves from feeling ashamed for being attracted to young women. And that is something I agree with CityCrusher, most women don’t like men, and as you can see, women have the power now, and this results in bad times for men. But without women’s allies, other male-hostile men, it wouldn’t have been possible. Take a look in the past in the late 19th century. Even back then you had early feminists/suffragettes that wanted an age of consent at 21. Even back then.

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   1. Amen.

      If anybody is still stupid enough not to realize that this is coming from women and their greater power in society, I always point to Japan.

      Japanese culture is and always has been obviously very conservative, it was under the adminstration of the Americans after the War, and yet it was a sexual utopia. Then feminism took hold and its laws are little different now to the West, or even worse. For example, they recently introduced a law for the porn industry there that requires studios to withold releasing a film until something like two years after it was filmed, in case the model ‘changes her mind’. This has obviously caused chaos in the famous Japanese porn industry.

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6. Going back to the attraction to young postpubescent women: Like I already mentioned in my initial post, we humans don’t have the ability with our eyes, or any other sense, to discern what age a (young) woman is. Young women are usually post-puberty at around 15/16. That’s when a female is a women from a biological point of view. And for men it is normal to be attracted to youth. Nothing wrong with it. But according to modern society, you are supposed to be highly attracted to older women with baggage that are jaded, and have many wrinkles.

   Another aspect is that many young women at that age are already sexually active. One starts soone, one starts later, but most women start being sexually active between 14 and 18.
   What doesn’t make sense with all this hysteria is that just depending on the men’s age it is deemed either alright or horrible. She is getting penetrated by a penis regardless. What difference does it make where the penis is attached to. That is why I am no friend of “Romeo and Juliett” or “close-in-age” laws. All these allowed age differences are totally arbitraty. No country or state follows the same rules.

   Either you are mature enough or you aren’t. If at least the laws were consistend and would punish the young woman as well, at least from a logical point of view, it would make more sense since she is apparently not mature enough for such activites, and thus needs to be punished and taught right. Obviously I am not fan of this either, but at least it were more logical. Or punish underage sex in general. So what is the only, rational conclusion? It is not about sex, or the penetration. It is about the hatred against men and their sexuality, especially older men. It is not about protecting women, it is about getting the man for modern society’s witch-hunt. Modern people are very arrogant, and think they are not superstitious and are totally rational. But they are not. Modern people still look for witches and ways to let out their hatred and look for reasons to let it all out. In our modern time these are men and their sexuality right now. Another good indicator is looking at crimes that aren’t sex related committed by underage people. How many times have all of the sudden these underage perpetrators been tried as an adult. And look how many demand long prison sentences or the death penality. All of a sudden, they are no longer children. CityCrusher was really good in his videos pointing this out. It is never about “protecting the children.”

   Going back to the word pedophile and its modern false application by the general public. There was a case a couple of years ago where a 16- or 17-year-old sexually abused a kindergarten child. Obviously, and in this case rightly so, he was described as a pedophile. It makes sense, since a kindergartener is a little child. There is no discussion about it. But keep in mind that the 16/17-year-old is also underage himself since he is not at least 18 years old. So a postpubescent “minor” abused a prebuscent “minor”. And that’s were all the false applications of the word should shatter. When a 16/17-year-old can be a pedophile, and thus be deemed old enough to not have sex with a kindergartener, then why is all of a sudden a 30-year-old a pedophile for having sex with a 16-year-old. Doesn’t make sense.

   One more additional thought. Picture a couple the same age. They got together when they were 15. They probably had sex and were together because of sexual attraction. Now they are both 30. When the man would now look at a nude picture of his girlfriend/wife when she was 15 and jerking off to it, does that mean he has child porn of his girlfriend/wife or is a pedophile in hindsight, though he had sex with her since she and him were 15? I doubt it. Again wouldn’t make sense.

   That’s why the only real indicator should be (post)puberty and sexual maturity. Anything else doesn’t really make sense, when you really think about it.

   Unfortunately, you can only really discuss this with people (mostly men) that have not fallen for the pedo/anti-male hysteria. With brainwashed people, which are the majority on this planet right now, only just hinting you are disagreeing with the current cultural development, and you get to feel their wrath. So trying a rational, heads-on approach to convince others is prone to fail, since they are so indoctrinated. Other methods and approaches need to be found to change people’s mind.

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   1. Yes, perhaps couples who fall in love before 18 should be forced to break up once they reach 18. After all, they were ‘immature’ when they became besmitten with each other, and at no pint had an adult realisation of the long-term consequences. Even when adults, because they are already in love, and ‘love is a mental illness’ as Plato said, they cannot take a fully rational view of the wisdom of the relationship.

      I think I remember reading about that 15 yo boy abusing the kindergarten kids. A case like that shows that contrary to what clueless Eivind says, normies ARE aware that paedophile means attraction to toddlers, not to 15 year olds.

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7. “So trying a rational, heads-on approach to convince others is prone to fail, since they are so indoctrinated. Other methods and approaches need to be found to change people’s mind.”

   Yes, you’re absolutely right there. The ‘rationalists’ are pi$$ing into the wind with their Bruce Rind studies and logical arguments. I’m not saying these things don’t have a place, but they are in effect ‘just for us’ – a way of keeping us sane.

   We need to wake people up through ‘shock’ tactics, if you like. I’m not talking about violence, except violence through words – such as the ‘paedocrite’, ‘age cuck’, ‘femihag’ memes. And it has to be done right. You could argue that Eivind is employing ‘shock tactics’ when he makes naked videos of himself defending Nathan Larrson, but any ‘normie’ would just see a weird creep and wouldn’t even listen to him.

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   1. Welcome Steve!

      The proposed shock tactics are great, particularly baiting pedocrites to show their true colors.

      Eivind seems to want to organize “self defense violence” against pedo hunters. This is going to end very badly for whatever resistance we have gathered so far if he does this. There’s a good chance a government agent might be coaching him as a patsy.

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      1. The chances of Eivind doing anything like that are zero. But just like his threats against the police back in the day, the targets of his empty threats might take them seriously and decide to come to him first.
         I’ve sometimes suspected he might be a government patsy, given that even secret service agents couldn’t create a persona to ‘lead’ a resistance as badly as he does. But you just need to watch the first 10 seconds of his Nathan Larson video to realize he is simply on the spectrum like nobody before, and that no actor or paid patsy could do that.

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8. I have to talk again about age gaps. I cannot stress it enough how the modern western man is beaten into submission, and his need to be on the good side with his female masters, and society in general. Let’s forget for a second about the age of consent, and whether or not 15-year-old are indeed young sexually mature women and whatnot. I just concentrate on young women that are at least 18 years old for now.

   For months I have been reading about couples that are in age gaps or people that are interested in age gaps in forums, comments etc. When I look at posts from some/many men, not everyone though, it is very telling how men feel the need to justify their attraction or their age gap relationship to the outside world. How many times have men been explaining and justifying themsevles why in their case it is actually not “predatory” or “creepy” for being interest in younger women. In some of these cases it feels like they are on trial, and just committed one of the worst crimes possible. Ironically, for many that is the case, especially when the woman is in her late teens (adult). Then some of these weirdos even demand torture and death. So far is the brainwashing evolved.

   Take a look at some of the reasons or justifications are used to reasure and appease the outside world (or other forum members/or in real life). They talk about how they are immature or their woman is so mature for her age, or that they suffer from autism, or write paragraphs how their woman had be to self-sufficient very early on because of life circumstances. And there are many other examples. Yadda yadda yadda… While all that may be true, the more these man are looking for reasons to calm the mob down, in some way they make it worse, and don’t exude strength in such a situation. The mob has already reached its verdict in the first minute. And here they are an hour later still trying to prove their innocence in vain.
   It shows that these men feel guilty, and like I already said, and are on trial. Can they convince the mob to get their blessing.

   What should be the only reaction or answer to this. I am a grown man, she is a grown woman, and we want to spend time with each other because we want to. That’s it. Strength. Admittedly that is easier said and done, and I would struggle too. But this should be internalized within all men.

   This behavior and weak attitude not only comes to relationships between very young adults like 18/19 years old and men in their 50s. But also an 18-year-old with a 24-year-old or a 34-year-old with a 23-year-old.

   I have also seen and witnessed many a men that are really self-conscious, and even broke things off because they couldn’t handle the pressure that lays on their shoulder. This is entirely a mentality problem, and women with their anti-male dogs have been very successfully in changing the culture. Interestingly, when men try to downplay their interest or when they brake things off due to the felt pressure, deep down they know they were heavily attracted, and in past times that were better for being attracted to young women, would have been balls deep many times. Otherwise they wouldn’t have been interested in the first place. Again as a reminder, still only talking about adult relations on both sides, and it this bad.

   I still think that the anti-male (sexuality) campaign has been so successful, and advanced so far that this needs to be corrected first, before any talk about whether age of consent should be 14, 15 or 16. I mean in many countries in Europe this is already the case for example. Like we already discussed in previous comments above. What does it matter, if you can’t really live and express it. And we are just talking about outside conditions. The young woman still has to be interested as well.

   So to iterate, men have a long way to go, and undo this massive defeat they suffered. With this I am not just talking about age gaps, or interest in young women, but in general. Men are in many ways second class citizens.

   Will continue in another comment.

   By the way theantifeminist, like I already mentioned in the above comments, I am really interest how all these interactions between younger women and older man were in the 80s and 90s, in addition to the general development and shift in a blog post. Would be very interesting.

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   1. Indeed before we can hope to change the AOC laws we should strive to be allowed to have any sex with women at all.

      I’ve fucked so many hot girls in German FKKs between 2005 and 2015 but now ‘ve just read Germany is gearing up to make prostitution all but illegal. Germany of all countries! I knew it was coming of course and as usual with any such turning of the screw there will be no push-back. The girls will migrate to places like Dubai as they already have done in droves, and the fun will be had by men of other races and religions. What a cuk the white men has become.

      Maybe Eivind was more on the money in the days when he threatened to kill a cop in Norway if one was sent to arrest him for seeing a prostitute than he is today fighting for what seems so out of reach it might as well be from another planet.

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      1. Which highlights the unbelievable stupidity of not just allying with the MAPs and pedos, but even identifying as one.
         It didn’t work in the 70’s, it certainly won’t work now.

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   2. When I was about 25 I had a huge crush on a 17 yo girl I knew. Unfortunately, she was dating a 30 YO. There definitely wasn’t much of a taboo in middle-aged men dating or marrying 20 year olds. And usually it would be the young woman shamed if anything for being a ‘gold digger’.
      However, most 40 year olds wanting to hook up with a much younger partner chose teen girls because it was still possible back then, lol.

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      1. Once again, unbelievable that this was even normal a couple of decades ago in the UK. Out of western countries I think the UK takes first of second place with turning this insane together with the US, and its hostility to men’s sexual attraction to young women.

         When I went overseas years ago, I spend some time with British and other Euro people in my social circle. We all were on the younger side, but there was an older man in his early 40s, and not bad looking for his age. He managed to hook up with an early 20s woman. When this came out like parrots many, but not all, of the (younger) British men started saying and reapeating nonce, nonce, nonce, nonce. This word wasn’t in my vocabulary, but ever since it was. Even back then I was thinking what the matter with these people were. Fortunately in this case, it was more used “jokingly,” and they tried to make fun of him, and not really to cause any trouble or physically confront him. But still very telling. Interestingly other Europeans weren’t as quick to denounce him as a “pedophile” not even as a “joke.” And thats where in real life I draw my conclusions about Anglo-Saxon countries seem to be the most obsessed countries in the west that turned the most anti-male and their normal sexuality. Also all the video/audio footage or articles etc. I have seen from the UK. I am still surprised that the UK still as age of consent of 16.

         Three incidents in the UK come to mind with their “anti-nonce” culture.

         – 1-3 years ago there was a African football player in the Premier League that married his 18-year-old fiance while he was 30 years or so old. She is from his home country in Africa, and dating/seeing her since she was 16. There was a big uproar in the football community calling him all these names (nonce etc.), and wishing violence on him. Many men wanting him to see him in prison, or wanting to take care of him (violently).

         – Also a couple of years or a decade? there was also a Premier League footballer. I think his name called Adam Johnson or Stone? Can’t recall the name right now. He was convicted of rape or sexual abuse, and actually went to prison for making out with a 15-year-old he met at a night club. I think he didn’t even had sex, but not entirely sure though. Same uproar, nonce this, nonce that.

         – There is apparently is this “famous” older man who is the brother of a former well-known footballer. He is more like one of those reality TV type of famous guys. He own’s several clubs on Ibiza if I recall correctly. Apparently he likes to date signficantly younger women, and for some reason the public seem to really have a problem with him. There was an incident were was invited to a football commentary on TV or something like that, and the crowd among the live audience started calling him nonce or pedo. From what I have “heard” this man can be/is quite obnoxious, but the gall these people have for attacking a man for dating younger women that are above 18 is appalling.

         Theantifeminst or other British men chime in on this, and let me know your opinion on this. Obviously everyone else feel free to also give your take.

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         1. Just as Eskimos have over 100 words for snow, British people have dozens of different words for ‘paedophile’ or ‘sex offender’. I think I heard the words ‘nonce’ or ‘paedo’ at least 6 or 7 times today when I was out and about, and they weren’t aimed at me either.

            And man, I saw teen girls walking down the street literally wearing just thongs today. What an absolutely dystopian madhouse England has become.

            I would rank Sweden, Germany, and the Netherlands above Britain for how much they ‘switched’ so suddenly from being quite liberal and tolerant to paedohysteric and anti-male. Perhaps Japan too.

            Britain has always been the home of paedohysteria and sex repression, at least since the late Victorian era. In the 1920’s, they came very close to raising the age of consent even higher, and there were working class riots against ‘sex predators’ who were supposedly targetting young girls. I may post an article on this some time. The 60’s and 70’s in Britain was a break in the normal way of things, and still not as tolerant as many places in Europe. However, between the Restoration of the Monarchy and the late Victorian period, Britain was famously sexually liberal by the standards of Europe. I think I remember reading that in Victorian London, there were more prostitutes than in the rest of Europe combined – or something like that.

            I vaguely remember the first example you gave (the African footballer), and the second guy was Adam Johnson, and the third is the brother of Gary Lineker.

            I saw this in the Daily Mail yesterday. ‘Sex offender’ Stephen Bear who was imprisoned for posting a video of himself having sex with the daughter of George Harrison, immediately goes to Brazil and marries an 18 year old local hottie (he is 35)! What a hero! Naturally, the Daily Mail is appalled.

            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14877735/Stephen-Bear-marries-Brazilian-Miami-prison-Georgia-Harrison.html

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            1. And the comments to this Mail article are depressing! It suffices for a man to be labelled “sex offender” and no one will come to his defense.

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            2. Stephen Bear is one of those reality TV guys, right? I probably wouldn’t be friends with guys like him, but I strongly agree with you that in that regard he is a “hero.” Yeah, and looking at the comments, the majority was not thrilled. But here and there I saw some comments that weren’t as bad or in someways more neutal.

               That’s what I meant in previous comments with showing strength instead of trying to appease the mass, and wanting to be the “good boy.” Men if they are able to date younger should do it. No explanation, no justification, not feeling guilty. I truly believe in critical mass. In the beginning it will be more akward, but if more and more men just do it or at least disregard aging women, not falling for the mindset to have to date “age-appropriately,” particularly in real life, in your social circle, the more it will automatically become more normal (again). Once that is reached, then there might be different foundation for those insane sex and age of consent laws.

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               1. Absolutely Steve. I used to argue here that men who date women over 25 are effectively being raped. At the very least, men should avoid older women (and chubbies, or unattractive females even if young). If you can’t date a woman under 25, just visit prostitutes. It’s the only way to undermine the Sexual Trade Union, or at least to spite it.

                  Meanhile, CityCrusher is literally crushing it lately. Latest video on Epstein is absolutely must watch. Makes the point that Epstein is villified because most men can’t bang young girls like he could, and they’re jealous bitches. The male sexual trade union coming together with the female version.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adGbdSjmdsA

                  CityCrusher is for certain a true Male Sexualist.

               2. That was truly a fantastic video. The only improvement would be to emphasize that even though he is a nobody that isn’t actively pursued by females, that doesn’t mean he is unattractive to them. Women have no clue what they want, and when they are ovulating, if you are present and offer something of value, they will bang you. One could argue it is better to be a nobody who makes a habit of showing up at the right time offering something (like an amateur PUA) than a poor mark who is actively pursued in this insane feminist society.

               3. Good for linking and highlighting CityCrusher’s video, even though I have already seen it.

                  Kudos to CityCrusher. His videos are real banger. I have yet to see someone like that in the “manosphere” that covers these topics with such honesty. It takes real courage to talk like this, especially with your real name and face out. Other “manosphere” people that claim to be for man would still scream pedophile, and want violence for the “degenerates.”

                  Like I also already said, CityCrusher and a few others are the best right now, with their unrelenting honesty, and their fight against the anti-male/pedo hysteria. That’s how its done. And do you notice something? Again with him, he is not trying to appease or to be on the good side of women. He exudes strength. That is what men need.

                  Even though he doesn’t have a high view and sub count, looking at the comments, he has a vibrant community that comments quite often. It is very encouraging to see that despite the Zeitgeist and all the anti-male hysteria, there are still other people like us that don’t fall for it.

                  I recommend you take a look at many of his videos, and read the comments if you don’t already do it.

9. If there is a silver lining to all the news articles hysterically hyperventilating about the latest “sex predator” arrests, they show that men are still crushing teen pussy even into their 80s. The stories are inspiring. Middle age is still a young man’s game. I have had some exceptional luck as well, and I also put in the work to make that luck happen for sure.

   This is one reason why the cuck conservative feminist assault on older men called the “human trafficking” hoax is particularly insidious – the real intent is to give teen girls the incentive to punish older men who hit on them whenever the teen girl feels inconvenienced. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. It’s exactly the same as the cuck/feminist human resources “sexual harassment” hoax, where it’s only harassment when the girl is inconvenienced, except the “human trafficking” hoax is a society-wide enhancement. It is literally the same as the grooming gang hoax in the UK.

   The narrative is that there is a bad older man around every corner waiting to steal your daughter and put her into sex slavery. Only of course, this literally never happens, what actually happens is either the teen girl is lying for convenience and the cucks/feminists give her attention and money, or the girl pursues sex with older men. The human trafficking/grooming gang hoax is the cuck conservative feminist agenda in the Anglosphere. It is worse than the liberal feminist agenda, because the liberals push back on these hoaxes (as seen in the latest rejection of the human trafficking hoax by politicians in liberal New York City), therefore men in liberal areas of the Anglosphere have a bit more breathing room to pursue teens at the moment.

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10. I was thinking about music and bands, and how even up to the 90s or so, they were able to publish songs about banging/being with young women even below 18.

    Take a look at this song from 1988 by the band Winger. They are a hard rock/hair metal band that saw quite some success in the late 80s and early 90s. In the mid 90s like many other rock/metal bands they faded into obscurity during the grunge wave.

    The song is called “Seventeen” by Winger:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBYeqsVpnuQ&list=RDqBYeqsVpnuQ&start_radio=1

    This song was one of their most well-known and successful songs. Can you believe releasing such a song today? Your career would have been over before it began. I saw videos were people danced to such video.

    There are many search results when you look for this song on Youtube. Look at the comments underneath the one I just shared…Times have truly changed. Look how they harp on the band members that they were way too old (late 20s back then) for being interested in a young woman. And I say that on purpose. A 17-year-old is not a little girl/child anymore. On a side note, this band is from New York as far as I know, and back then and even now the AOC was and still is 17.

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    1. And the Beatles singing “Well she was just seventeen, if you know what I mean”?
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwBdWVTR-o8

       Everybody back in 1962/63 knew what he meant. That seventeen year old girls were the most desirable creatures on the planet.

       He still sings it in live shows I believe. It would be funny if after singing that line he mumbled something like – “yeah, you still know what I mean you effing paedocrites!”.

       I posted a link here a few years ago from an American news site calling out the Beatles for ‘paedophilia’ because of this song.

       In their first movie “A hard day’s night”, the band meet some schoolgirls on a train and Paul says something about “checking out the talent”. And this was before the sexual revolution of the 60’s had really gotten going.

       It makes me wonder with all this historical evidence that is still easy to find, and for many is still in living memory, that austic MAPs can still maintain they are something special for finding U18s attractive. Even if people have been brainwashed to the extent that most no longer even feel any attraction towards 17 year old girls (and we know that isn’t true), finding U18s attractive still wouldn’t constitute a ‘sexual minority’ or ‘orientation’. It would still just being normal (in a perverted society in which being not normal has been normalized).

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    2. Youtube still hasn’t censored cult songs:

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRdlooLSNQ0&list=RDaRdlooLSNQ0&start_radio=1

       Sweet little sixteen. Note that the girl we see dancing is most definitely over 18, so the vid got censored in some way. Amazing they haven’t thought of showing a MILF dancing instead.

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11. Here is the Chorus from that Song:
    “She’s only seventeen (seventeen)
    Girl, she gives me love like I’ve never seen
    She’s only seventeen (seventeen)
    Daddy says she’s too young, but she’s old enough for me (seventeen)
    She’s everything I need (seventeen)
    Daddy says she’s too young, but she’s old enough, old enough for me”

    It can’t get clearer than that unless you start using foul language. And women loved it. This band, especially the singer/frontman, was a chick magnet. These women that liked bands and songs like that in the past are now those old mothers or even grandmothers that would call men predator, pedophiles for being interested in young women today.

    In general what I noticed is how people from the silent generation, baby boomers and Gen X were doing all these things, and now act holier than thou. On the other side you have retarted people from Gen Y and Z that act like this from the beginning. In a way I feel like we live in this weird amalgamation of modern technology and “progressiveness” combined with medieval concepts of sex, and mumbo jumbo science superstition (“brain developend not done until 25, thus still being a child”), all mixed together.

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    1. Yes, it’s incredible that tech progresses in an objective sense, yet we are returning to medieval beliefs about ‘innocence’ and the like, and even giving the vampire/werewolf legends new forms in the paedophile bogeyman, whilst calling this too ‘progress’.
       Funnily enough, I was just watching a YouTube video on the new Grok 4 release, and how amazing it is and that Elon Musk has predicted it will make contributions to materials science this year and be inventing new physics theories next year. I immediately thought of your comment when I saw the top rated comment underneath the video: “Maybe we should ask Grok to give us the Epstein Client list.” Over 700 upvotes.

       These are reasonably educated people, probably a higher average intelligence than the general population. They are literally at the castle with their pitchforks demanding to see the monster, in the context of watching a video on how AI is almost surpassing human intelligence.

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTrd6sOqIhg

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       1. I have to correct or add to my comment regarding medieval times and sex.

          At least as far as I know (no expert) the attraction towards young women under 18 wasn’t seen as something evil. This magical age barrier did not exist back then. At least this must have been better.

          Going a bit forward in time (18th/19th century) and related to that, do you know Goethe, the famous German writer and his most famous play, “Faust?” He and his work are considered one best pieces of literature by a German.

          Now, I don’t wanna bore you with the whole story, but the “spicy” and important content related to our topics we discuss here is:

          Dr. Faust, the protagonist, is estimated to be between 50 and 60 years old. During the story/play he has an affair/love story with the 14-year-old Gretchen. And no, nothing about “predator”, or “nonce/pedo” in this tragic play back then. Again, can you imagine having this part of a story/play in today?

          If you apply modern standards or get Goethe from the past to our times via a time machine, they would cancel, threaten him, and would call him a “pedo.”

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12. I just came across this feminist book: “Sex Dolls, Robots and Woman Hating: The Case for Resistance”

    https://www.spinifexpress.com.au/shop/p/9781925950601

    ““Sex dolls and robots in the female form function as an endorsement of men’s sexual rights, with women and girls positioned as sexual objects. The production of these products further cements women’s second class status.””

    You just need to scroll down the page to see the author’s photo to understand what it’s about. Anyone who still can’ t see it, well, I think you (and I guess we) are beyond hope. I suppose it doesn’t help that we have a self-elected ‘leader’ who probably thinks she is a HB10.

    The only possible hope we have is in establishing the idea that feminists are acting from selfish sexual motives, and that this is wrong.

    The only possible hope.

    But for some autists, this will always be ‘too simple’ an explanation.

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13. Another great hard rock song by the band “Blue Murder” from 1989. This was a short lived band founded by former Whitesnake guitarist John Sykes. He founded the band after he was booted from Whitesnake. Great album. Check it out, also called Blue Murder.

    The song in question: “Sex Child”. Despite the word “child,” this is not about a prepubscent child.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al-0iz4eMY0&list=RDal-0iz4eMY0&start_radio=1

    Read the comments. There some great ones like “This was back in the time before everyone turned into pussies LOL” from 6 years ago.

    Or the reply to “It’s really hard to find this song on YouTube without looking like a pervert.”
    “well, is here for you bro, enjoy it !” -> good comment.

    Even though we are a minority today, we are not totally alone.

    The more I think about it, I still can’t comprehend how things turned to shit in such a short time, given human existence as a whole.

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14. “Whilst over half-of-men found it acceptable for a 16 year old boy to have sex with a 30 year old woman …”

    Correction, it says “More than a quarter (27%) of men said it was either somewhat or completely acceptable for a 16-year-old boy to have a sexual relationship with a woman aged up to 30.”

    Still higher than the 9% of women, but not nearly as much as 50%+.

    Also this: “Or to put it another way: 91% of British women – over 9 in 10 – think that a legally aged 16 year-old-boy having sex with a 30 year old woman is wrong.”

    Apparently there was a third option “Indifferent / Don’t care” in this poll, see the graph of 16f+30m on DailyMail, where the bars in the chart don’t add up to 100% (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12552345/Men-sex-16-year-old-new-poll-Russell-Brand.html). 15–17% of respondents didn’t care either way, probably similar numbers in the 16m+30f case.

    Also, does anyone have the link to the actual Ipsos poll? I can’t find it anywhere.

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15. Thanks for the correction. I’ll try to find the link to the original poll – I think I remember seeing it.
    Another stat I should have highlighted is:
    “When it comes to a 16-year-old girl being in a sexual relationship with a man aged 50 or older, more than one in 10 men (13%) thought this was acceptable compared to 3% of women.”

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16. Another song to the tune of “16 years old”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIQnm9MpZOo&list=RDdIQnm9MpZOo&start_radio=1

    Donne tes seizes ans = give me your sixteen years.

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    1. Thanks Jack. Beautiful lyrics too, if they are translated correctly here: https://lyricstranslate.com/en/donne-tes-seize-ans-give-your-sixteen-years.html

       Come, give your sixteen years
       To the happiness that takes shape
       So that your child body
       Gradually transforms

       Come, don’t hesitate
       Put your hand in mine
       Simply, and give your sixteen years

       Come, give your sixteen years
       To eternal loves
       It’s the most beautiful spring
       Of life that calls you

       Come, in the hollow of my cheek
       Put your cheek against mine
       Tenderly, and give your sixteen years

       One day, when the life will have withered our days
       One day, we’ll think that
       the spring of loves was so short

       Come, give your sixteen years
       To your fury for living
       The path of lovers
       Is the only one to follow

       Come, give your heart
       My love, to love
       Who awaits to take your sixteen years

       Give your sixteen years
       Give your sixteen years

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17. Just saw this Tweet on X from a guy with 26K followers; https://x.com/ArtemisConsort/status/1949333136812249267

    “Human sexuality takes that will piss off everyone:

    Liking traps is straight. Gay men like them the least among all sexualities.

    Every adult human is sexually attracted to someone under the age of 15.

    Homosexuality has multiple causes, some genetic and some social. The genetic causes are likely due to antagonist pleiotropy. Being gay is not adaptive, but your sister being hella horny is, and the same genes control both.

    There are no “true transsexuals”. MtF transition is driven by autogynephilia in the vast majority of cases in the west. The rest (hsts) don’t experience dysphoria. They transition solely to get hotter men.

    The extent to which a population is civilized correlates with the extent to which it prefers neoteny signals (youth) over fertility signals (big butts/boobs).”

    Immediately a femiservative denies it: https://x.com/LauraPowellEsq/status/1949340113978228858

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    1. Unfortunately that guy Hunter is still very confused, saying it’s very bad when a 22 year old man flirts with a 14 year old girl, but the opposite isn’t a big deal:

       https://x.com/ArtemisConsort/status/1937264911723188459

       It seems like he’s saying everyone is a pedophile, but it’s only evil when men flirt with younger teens. I guess that’s a little better than him saying anyone attracted to teen girls is abnormal.

       It’s due to this insane society that I’m not going to contact an absolutely beautiful Ukrainian teen girl I met a few days ago who was on holiday in my city. Needless to say, she restored my faith in nature, the process of flirting with her and taking her number was an enormous pleasure, and she certainly knew what she was doing. Her age would enrage feminists and Epstein cucks like “Hunter”, who would be jealously wishing for my death, using all the anti-male catch phrases in their tiny little brains to do it. But I will keep her number until she at least won’t be jailbait anymore, as a sign of active defiance and reminder that anything is possible when feminist lies are stripped away. I’ll also have a wank over her, sorry again feminists!

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       1. Congrats on that achievement, AF. Keep us updated if anything does happen. If all goes well, then I believe you have found yourself a new girlfriend.

          I at least think you shouldn’t let paedohysteria discourage you from attempting to have some sort of meaningful conversation with her…in private…I suppose. Why? Are you worried about her parents finding out?

          If you are anxious about these feminists cucks and pedo destroyers, then just flirt with her in private. It’s not like everyone has to walk outside through the public city streets and present their boyfriend/girlfriend to everyone around them. Obviously, don’t do anything illegal because you don’t want to make yourself a target to all these pernicious, nosy cops. Anyways, I’m glad someone is making progress here, but my advice to you is not be so paranoid about these feminist terminators patrolling every street and corner. This seems like a golden opportunity right here, so be brave and take your chance. ?

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       2. Silly me, I referred to anon69 as “AF”. My mistake, don’t take it personally AF (Unless you have found yourself a beautiful teen girl too, then the same advice can apply to you and everyone else here).

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          1. Yea, I’m definitely not as smart or brave as the AF! But sometimes I can make things happen.

             I’m not worried at all about feminists or unrelated people. But I met this girl through a daygame approach, so her parents don’t know me. So, there are two concerns, first is what happens when the parents find out, will they freak out and call the cops? (which has happened before unfortunately, but I don’t do anything illegal so it passes). The parents are in the USA, if they were not, I’d have more faith in them being reasonable. If we continue talking privately, everything we say can be twisted by a zealous prosecutor even if platonic (using feminist words like “grooming” etc).

             Second, we are in an atmosphere of pedohysteria without the traditional legal requirement of evidence beyond a girl’s word for the state to bring official charges (and they will have evidence now from cell phones that will show a relationship). If an accusation is made, either through a parent, lawyer, or cop’s coaching, or from the girl herself (even though she’s an incredibly hot example of a girl who is supposed to know nothing about sex yet magically does, she is still a girl, and girls are unpredictable and make accusations when convenient), who will the judge/jury believe? The crying young girl or the big bad man? They don’t even need to show her crying, they can just make up all sorts of characterizations of the supposed “psychological damage” and then play a video of her coached testimony, no cross examination allowed. Oh, and the statute of limitations is basically infinite, so you can always have this possibility hanging over your head.

             Does the possibility of getting the best pussy in the world and having the most wholesome relationship a man (and young woman) can have outweigh the possibility of going through everything involved in that evil legal process? For some, maybe. But I think it can be done better. For now, this is my only option, but approaches like these still carry enormous significance for me because they prove that everything feminists and cucks say is lie, that any man can be attractive to prime teenagers regardless of his age, and that there is nothing more attractive and sexual than a teenage girl well under 18 who is open to flirtation with a man.

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18. Talking about age gap relationships, and the attraction to young women. So I have some other good news. AF, you probably have already seen this, but why not show it once more, to remind ourselves again that we are not the crazy ones. These are from your home country the UK.

    First case, quite recent:

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/42-year-old-dad-started-31622535

    Men in his 40s started dating an 18-year-old, and they flaunt their relationship. I really like seeing this since it shows what men deep down like publicly, and simultaneously show society the middle finger with their hysteria.

    Second case, from a couple of years ago:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6338819/Married-couple-28-YEAR-age-gap-two-children-defend-relationship-Channel-5-show.html

    https://www.facebook.com/channel5uk/videos/age-gap-love-available-on-my5-now/624737924603971/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/7653679/28-year-age-gap-love-paedo/

    Now this one gets even better. I have to say the man in the second example has some pretty big balls. Even now, I am younger than him than he was back in the video/article, but I have to admit that I probably wouldn’t have the guts to date someone under 18.

    Nonetheless, good examples.

    I wanted to share this sooner, but wasn’t able to find this second case sooner. Also, I was thinking about all the pedo hysteria, coming particularly from the right. How many “right wing” people in the UK, or all over the world for that matter, would slander and insult even attack him for being a “dirty pedo/nonce.” Yet, they lament about the white birth rate, and that women aren’t getting married, and wait too long before they become mothers etc. Isn’t that the ideal situation for those people? A young woman who doesn’t sleep around, doesn’t wait before getting married, settle downs early, and pops out a couple of white British children. Shouldn’t they applaud this, and even encourage this? These right wingers really should get it in their head that men of all ages like younger women.

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    1. Thanks for the links Steve – very encouraging!

       You’re absolutely correct about the right’s stupidity when it comes to supporting a high age of consent whilst moaning about falling white birthrates. But this is why I think it’s silly to believe there is a ‘natural’ home for our views, left or right. The ‘right’ has many aspects that should – in a rational world – lend itself to a more tolerant position. For example, the belief in the rights of the individual and in non-government intervention into the way people lead their lives (among the more libertarian strand of the right). Unlike the left (at least today), the right appears to be waking up to the role that women are playing in the demise of Western Civilization. And of course, the left also has aspects that should make it less paedohysteric than it is. The problem is that politics is no longer rational, and paedohysteria and the age of consent is used as a stick to beat and smear the opposition with on both sides.

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       1. Do you know what I really hate? Other men that try to police other men and their attraction to younger women, even if completely legal and over 18. Nothing new, but I just watched a video where a man says that if you are over 20 you shouldn’t be interested in 18-year-olds. And the women were applauding him with this statement. The insanity! Of course you can have the attitude to just let them talk, and if you have the opportunity to date a younger woman, then just do it. Completely agree, but…..I truly think that we are in this deep mess because of other “traitor” men.

          As we already ascertained, even back in the late 19th century, feminists already wanted an AOC of 21 years. But without these white knight men, we wouldn’t be in this mess we are in. Would it still be bad if it was just for women? Maybe. But I believe it would only be half as bad if men haven’t had been willing over the decades to do women’s bidding.

          Think about all those predator hunters. These are usually men trapping/attacking other men. If other men weren’t willing to do these, I doubt a group composed of only women would do these on mass. What is also really pathetic are those men that claim something like “I am 26 years old, I wouldn’t touch a 23-year-old. We wouldn’t have nothing in common. She is basically a child.” The world is upside down.

          I already had this in the back of my head for a long time, but CityCrusher really made it clear and the male on male hostility.

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          1. Agreed, but I don’t think the question is “would it still be so bad if it was just women”? Because the answer is clearly no, we know that. Women can’t do this without men. That goes without saying. The question is – “would it still be so bad if it was just men”? And the answer is clearly no again. And this matters because it is women who are driving it, and men as usual, will go along for female approval.

             We hate men for this, more than women, because we ourselves are men who find it much easier to hate other men. So when we vent againt men for ‘making it possible for feminists’, we should be hating ourselves a little too. Because the fundamental reason we are in this mess is because we can’t hold women primarily responsible.

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             1. Oh, I wasn’t trying to convey with my post that women are innocent. I am not one of those men that think women are innocent and are led astray by the “powers that be”, and something like that.

                I was thinking about your story you told weeks earlier when you were in London with your much younger date. You told us that the stares or remarks mainly came from older women. And I replied that the situation probably wasn’t as bad as it could have been. Imagine other men felt the need to confront you because you were with a young adult consenting woman.

                What I was trying to get across is that nowadays men pride themselves in being a white knight, groveler, beggar for issues that shouldn’t be issues at all, and weren’t in the past like the attraction to young women.

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                1. Oh yeah, women pulling faces and making comments is one thing, but you always have to be wary of a white knight physically doing something.

             2. We know all women sooner or later take an active part in the STU. But what about our next of kin?

                1) What about your beloved mother?

                “No her! She’s a simple peaceful woman incapable of any ill-feelings”.

                2) What about your nice sister you grew up with?

                “My sister? Nay. My sister has always been detached from any such resentment. She’s the salt of the Earth my sister”

                3) What about your dear old aunt who was your godmother and never missed giving your presents whenever she could?

                “Auntie? No way she would care about sexual politics. She never had time for such things”

                And yet these people who love you as much as you love them are nothing but a (very small) sample of the STU. What would their answer be if asked pointblank “Are men who chase women ten years younger pedophiles, yes or no?” or “Should grown men who have sex with 16 year-olds get a life sentence, yes or no?”.

                Even the people most dear to us are hatable if we set your mind to it.

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                1. My mother’s last ‘political view’ before she died of cancer was to tell us how shocking she thought it was that Prince Andrew “might get away with it”.

19. I thought I submitted my reply. Let’s try it once more.

    Here are a couple more examples.

    – https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/21/matt-gaetz-withdraws-as-trumps-attorney-general-nominee-the-sexual-misconduct-allegations-against-him-explained/
    – https://www.newsweek.com/who-matt-gaetzs-wife-ginger-luckey-what-we-know-1989782
    – https://www.thelist.com/1787552/strange-things-matt-gaetz-ginger-luckey-marriage/

    Matt Gaetz is a politician from Florida. He was accused of having had sex with a 17-year-old. Out of all US states, Florida takes the price for their pedohysteria. These are not recent news, but should be mentioned here. We all know this man likes younger women which is completely normal. At least he had the balls to marry a woman who is like 11-12 years younger than him. I hope to see some day that a politician is proud of being seen with a 17-year-old, and is unapologetic about it. For obvious self-preservation reasons, he should do this only where the AOC is 17 for adults.

    Another good example would be Donald Trump too. Isn’t he like rougly 25 years older than Ivanka, and met her when she was like 26,27? Yes, also the most powerful men on earth likes younger women.

    Look at this. The moment young women turn 18, they make bank, and start selling their body, even though only in a light way in those examples (lewd pictures). Look at the figures they mention, and they don’t lie. Too bad the comment on dailymail are those you would expect. And one of them even said that her subscribers should be in jail she is making money from.

    Note: I am personally not attracted to these young women in particular at all, but still good proof what men really think and want, young women.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14968991/lil-tay-onlyfans-fan-backlash-reveals-earnings.html
    https://www.tag24.com/internet/influencers/rapper-turns-18-and-earns-a-million-dollars-on-onlyfans-in-just-six-hours-1906107

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20. Teenagers or “minors” are only considered children when it is convenient for society. They have no problem treating them as adults when it is convenient for them.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1952836498971344926

    All of the sudden 14-year-olds can be adults.

    CityCrusher has a very good video about it. And a great introduction in the description box:

    “When a teenaged girl commits murder, society considers her an adult. When a teen girl has sex with a man, she is considered a minor and lacks the brains to know what she was doing.
    This double standard is exercised to harm men and place women on an upper tier in the legal system. ”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVt2wuUzvtw

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    Talking about Trump, I actually made an mistake he didn’t meet “Ivanka” when she was younger. Ivanka is his daughter. I meant Melania.

    What’s you take on this Trump speech? Once again, we all know it. Men of all ages like younger women.

    https://old.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1mhpwsr/trump_doesnt_even_try_to_hide_it/

    Look at the comments. All these redditors are having a melt down, and throw around all sorts of words as you can guess.

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    1. When it’s convenient, childhood goes all the way to 25 these days as we all know.
       However, this article is I feel a decent short debunking of that particular sacred cow-
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZf6_jK3Zs .
       The there’s this, from the BBC of all places-
       https://www.sciencefocus.com/comment/brain-myth-25-development .

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21. To keep morale high up here, watch these other great videos from CityCrusher. Also read through the comments, they are very good. You will love them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVoyVuJAX3c

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON8jesnpT9s

    P.S. AF, you may only have very few viewers, but relatively speaking, you have a very busy comment section. Who can say that with those very low numbers.

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    1. Yes, I’m making a commitment now to be more light-hearted about the absolute deranged evil we face on a daily basis in 2025 as anti-feminist men. By getting overly angry, not only do I damage my health and make myself less effective, but I fail the very same feminist shit test I talk about so often.

       No – for now on, my mental state will be one of amused mastery as I fight against these pathetic cucks and psycho women. It should at least make for more interesting comments.

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       1. Yes, it’s important to take steps to stay as healthy as possible, mentally and physically. We’ve noted before on Eivind’s blog how so many of ‘us’ seem to die relatively young – Angry Harry, Barbara Hewson, etc. It’s probably due to the stress of having to live in such a clown world, but you’ve got to try to see a funny side to it, I guess.

          I should have given a warning to accompany that x.com link showing the teacher getting beaten up, but I think it’s important to confront the reality of what’s happening so we’re under no illusions.

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    2. Remarkable Youtube channel. Let’s go and subscribe to his channel! The more subscription he gets, the least likely Youtube will cancel him.

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    3. Thanks for the links Steve. Yes, CityCrusher definitely seems ever more willing to really speak the truth about these issues. As Jack says, I hope he doesn’t get shut down. If only there were more guys like him in the early days of the MRM, things could have been different.

       Yeah, there is a very high commentator to visitor ratio because it’s mostly you guys crossing over from Eivind’s blog, and I’m still not getting much search engine traffic or links from other sites. At least it means we don’t have any trolls here yet!

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22. As Steve pointed out, some of the comments under CityCrusher’s video’s are really encouraging:

    “If a 16 year old can get “groomed” she is either mentally disabled or has been so sheltered by her parents it reaches the level of child ab use. The only way to really judge ability to consent is on an individual basis. This is obvious. But age of consent laws are primarily about demonizing normal male sexuality, giving wmen even more power over “

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23. Af and others,

    I have a experiment, case study or litmus test for you. Call it what you want.

    Take a look at this Youtube channel. It is one of those ASMR channel with a pretty woman.

    https://www.youtube.com/@NanouASMR/videos

    She turned 18 a couple of months ago. Don’t know exactly when, but that means she was born in 2007. She started when she was around 12.

    1. Take a look at the profile picture and the latest/most recent videos. Do you think this is an attractive young women? I certainly think she is.
    2. Then sort the videos by oldest. You should clearly see a difference here. I could say she was cute, but there is no sexual attraction at this age for me.
    3. So at 18 she is hot/attractive, at 12 she is not and too young.
    4. Where is the transition from her being too young to an attractive young woman?
    5. On this site we don’t have to kid ourselves that only on her 18th birthday did she become attractive. Even the “normies” know, but can’t admit it. But as you also know, even saying that she is hot at 18, still makes you a pedophile nowadays.
    6. So it must be somewhere in between. There is no physical difference between her when she was 17 5-8 months ago, and her being now 18. So the age 18 is totally arbitrary.

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    1. She has certainly matured into a very attractive woman Steve. It can vary a lot too in women. Some girls seem to peak at 14 or 15 (a lot of British girls seem to) and look worn even by the time they are 18. I find that Slavic females often look better when they are in their early 20’s than when they were in their mid-teens.
       I saw a YouTube video today of Sydney Sweeney of the ‘good genes’ ad controversy, and it had clips of her in each of her different movies – she started at 13 I think. She is another woman who didn’t seem particulary attractive when she was a young teen, but seems to have blossomed later.
       Though tbh, sometimes it can simply be that they learn how to use make-up more effectively and find their ‘best look’ and so on.

       On the other end of the spectrum, I approached a Russian girl in Budapest when I was a PUA a decade or so ago, and we went on a date the next day. She was 19. It so happens that today on Instagram she posted a photo of herself at 19 and looking fresh and lively, and with the caption ‘me at 19’ and then a photo of her looking worn and glum with the caption ‘me at 31’, lol.
       Btw, the jealous looks from men and women I got on that date, even in a fairly tolerant city like Budapest too. I remember we went to some tourist sight and I paid for our tickets and the middle-aged hag at the desk asked me in a really cold manner – ‘Is she over 18?’ (for the ticket price, but the way she said it and the withering look she gave me, she was basically accusing me of being a pev)!

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       1. Next day date.. damn how the times have changed. Now, you’ve got to fight through so much distraction and misandry, the i-date is becoming far more important than taking a number.

          I had one with an early 20’s latina girl in the US a few days ago. She gave more evidence for what’s happening. She was very online, telling me how Tiktok is full of videos of “people” who are upset they can’t find a date (of course, she’s talking about incels and trying to leverage herself with me).

          But then I kissed her on the neck (something learned from Danger & Play before they told Cernovich to become a fag and sell out) and she became extremely turned on, touching me, etc. I followed up with her to make another date, no response. This wouldn’t be anything special, except for the fact that she was so aware of the open cultural trend of denial of men’s sexual needs, even at the expense of their own.

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    2. Spooky videos. What is she up to whispering like that?

       But yes, in the oldest vids she looked just like a nice kid. Fully asexual. She had no make-up though. Make-up could have given the impression her body had curves. Then it would have been up to whether it really had curves or whether we were only dealing with a delusion brought about by make-up.

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24. Amidst these crazy times what I really enjoy seeing is Leonardo DiCaprio showing everyone the middle finger by not giving a fuck that he gets older and older, still dates younger women, and not giving a fuck about what people write and say about him.
    That’s the attitude we should see more often. Obviously one need to be in a position to date hot younger women in the first place.

    I assume this is not news to everyone here, but I thought it is still good to mention it.

    And like everyone else, he gets a ton of shit for it. Even popular big movie stars get called a pedophile, a groomer, and whatnot.

    Another video from CityCrusher. Once more read the comments. You will like them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf2FBG4L840

    P.S. AF, in my next replies I will post a couple of more links. So they might end up again in the spam folder.

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    1. In a worse it’s way for men of power these days, especially celebrities, who in the age of social media can’t keep their dating lives relatively private. Back in the day, they would be banging teens, even often publicly dating them (Bill Wyman, for example, or Muhammed Ali marrying a 17 year old), and of course, people would raise an eyebrow if they were NOT dating women under 25.
       Now, they get shit thrown at them for simply dating women in the 21-25 range, and even called paedophile, and if they do have sex with U18s, even ‘legal’, then their careers and potentially lives are effectively over.
       So yeah, they are still getting way more pu$$y than the average Joe, but it must hurt knowing that they could be getting so much better.
       I remember reading some MRA claiming that the reason why pop music is so dire these days, especially male bands, is because the whole incentive of becoming a pop star used to be to bang the teenage groupies – and that has obviously gone. So now we have countless anodyne female singers like Taylor Swift, or asexual males like Ed Sheeran or whatever his name is.

       I’ll check my spam folder in case your comment gets put there.

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25. I was looking at a Facebook group on medieval history yesterday, and the brutal execution of William Wallace came up. Several women made posts like ‘we should do the same to paedophiles’. Most of the likes were from other women. I even checked their profiles, and God were they hideous middle-aged hags.

    If you don’ t know, the English hanged William Wallace until he was half-dead, then cut off his dick, then slit open his stomach whilst he was still barely alive and pulled out his intestines and burnt them in front of his face. Then they beheaded him and put his head on a pole.

    These are the sort of women Eivind would white knight for if they got caught having sex with a ‘lucky (black) boy’.

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26. AF, that red-haired woman on the photo at the top of this post. She somewhat resembles Miki Berenyi of Lush, that shoegaze band from the 90s. How familiar are you with the UK “British Invasion” music scene from the 80s and 90s because I’m a big fan of The Stone Roses, Oasis, The Verve, etc?

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    1. I was a student during the height of the Britpop and living in Camden in London, which was sort of the heart of it. I would often see the likes of the Gallagher brothers and Jarvis Cocker when I was out and about and Chris Martin was a friend of one of my flatmates (before he became famous). I loved all those bands, although my favorites were Radiohead and Gene. I still like Gene, but I prefer bands like the Stone Roses to Radiohead these days.

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S1eEXeAPMQ

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtxnAZTxLI0

       The 90’s were a great time to be young and alive, but unfortunately I had some issues at the time and couldn’t take all the opportunites that were available for me then. There was quite a backlash against feminist growing – ‘lad culture’, but alas it was soon wiped out and it’s been one remorseless attack on male sexuality since then. I remember there was a popular ‘lad mag’ that featured David Hamilton’s famous teen nudes once, inc. on the cover. He was later accused of ‘rape’ by one of the girls he photographed and had sex with and committed suicide.

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27. Ever seen and visit this blog: https://kshatriya-anglobitch.blogspot.com ?
    If I recall correctly he is from the UK as well. He hasn’t posted that much in recent years. But you can read the archives. I found them interesting. Beware of the comment section. Last time I checked it was overrun by trolls, and is not really monitored.

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    Once again I will link some interesting posts from Incels.is. What is really encouraging is that these threads are made almost weekly/biweekly in one way or another. And threads like these have been posted for years. So if you are looking for something encouraging, take a look at this site. As with many other sites though, there is a lot of rubbish to be found as well.

    These are just from recent weeks/months.

    https://incels.is/threads/agecucks-high-on-soylent-losing-their-shit-over-a-based-reditt-post.776393/

    https://incels.is/threads/agecucks-are-the-fucking-worst.730357/

    https://incels.is/threads/pred-catchers-and-people-who-unironically-say-pedophiles-should-be-killed-are-mentally-ill.772498/

    https://incels.is/threads/people-who-think-that-men-should-be-criminally-charged-for-sex-with-a-17-year-old-are-worse-than-jim-crow-era-segregationists.768157/

    https://incels.is/threads/retard-on-tiktok-claimed-that-it-is-equally-as-bad-for-a-man-to-bang-a-17-year-old-as-it-is-a-4-year-old.773017/

    https://incels.is/threads/white-people-are-so-obsessed-with-hating-older-white-guys-dating-younger-white-women.762575/

    I really like the posts from “SunnyPatrol.”

    https://incels.is/threads/being-against-older-men-dating-younger-women-is-literal-ageism.771730/

    https://incels.is/threads/i-love-living-in-a-country-where-16yo-girls-are-legal.756615/

    https://incels.is/threads/power-imbalance-in-relationships-is-such-a-stupid-idea.753406/

    https://incels.is/threads/ephebofilia-attraction-to-15-19yo-girls-is-natural-and-completely-normal.771311/

    https://incels.is/threads/the-way-people-look-at-age-gap-relationships-is-purely-emotional.765225/

    https://incels.is/threads/watching-predator-hunters.765305/

    https://incels.is/threads/i-dispise-agecuxx.772526/

    https://incels.is/threads/watching-predator-hunters.765305/

    https://incels.is/threads/a-new-trend-there-are-vigilante-groups-in-the-netherlands-dubbed-the-pedophile-hunters.249506/#post-5663996

    https://incels.is/threads/i-dispise-agecuxx.772526/
    One comment I want to highlight,

    “The ones that piss me off the most are those who cry ENDLESSLY about men who prefer younger women. And anything against it, they will call you a pedo.

    All friend i have call me a pedo for that.

    And im not saying shit like ” Bro i would love to fuck a 8yo ” no no no i always precise ” 15 and above is my taste but not more than 25 ” and they call me a pedo when im just the most logical man in the room, they both want to fuck 30+ yo women and i never shame them for having this taste, but they will call me a pedo for agreeing with biologie.

    All of that shame when im actually agains’t real pedophilia for obvious reason.”

    https://incels.is/threads/a-new-trend-there-are-vigilante-groups-in-the-netherlands-dubbed-the-pedophile-hunters.249506/#post-5663996

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    Related:
    https://incels.is/threads/ive-been-talking-to-20-year-old-foids-every-chance-i-get.769359/

    Interesting comment (excerpt):

    “Why am I doing this?
    Simply because I like 18 to 22 years old foids.

    I am tired of pretending to like old hags my own age.
    I am 44.”

    -> There we go, one man that is finally able to admit it. Maybe I will expand on that in another comment.

    https://incels.is/threads/hot-18-year-old-foids.774795/
    “I don’t care what they say.
    I am 44 and I want an 18 year old girlfriend.

    Call me a pedo.
    I don’t care.”

    ->Do you see how deep this shit runs? But there is a good reply.

    “I don’t understand this nonsense. These are all young women. I’d marry a woman of that age, too, and I’m 36.
    Well, if I were good-looking.
    Unfortunately, many have high bodycounts even already as minors.
    Anyway, a pedo desires children. Physical children, not adult women.”

    I know these are a lot of links, but if you have time, and look for some like-minded men that think mostly the same pertaining this issue, there you go. Right now I can only think of the these places off the top of my head where you can be this honest: Here, Evind’s blog, Incels.is and CityCrusher’s channel (and the people he associates with).

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    1. Thanks for sharing the links Steve – I’m surprised that wasn’t put into the filter! I keep meaning to visit the incel form more regularly, but that would be useful if you could share the best threads every week or so. I tried to join the forum myself a couple of years ago but was refused, even though I most certainly am an incel at this point – at least if you don’t think visiting prostitutes means you have ‘ascended’.

       Oh yeah, the anglo-bitch blogger was great, and he was pretty much with me, Eivind, and Human-Stupidity back in the day. It’s a shame his site was overrun. It was the same with Scarecrow’s blog (I think the same weirdo troll), as well as Steve Moxon’s.

       I saw on Eivind’s comments that there is some confusion as to my opinion on that Dutch YouTube girl. First of all, I was basing whatever I said on looking at the thumbnails. She looked more of a ‘kid’ at 12 in the thumbnails, but watching the videos, she was attractive in my eyes, and I don’t want to be a paedocrite and deny it. However, I’m thinking more in terms of protecting this site, and don’t want to spend too much time here talking about whether 12 year old YouTubers are ‘hot’. As you have said, it’s problematic enough even admitting that a 15 year old or even 17 year old girl can be desirable (even a 19 year old, lol), so let’s focus on that.

       Btw, I didn’t realize you were from Germany. I’ve visited nearly everywhere in Germany, dating back to the 90’s. Germany still seems more rational and less paedohysteric than most places. However, last year I was there during the World Cup, and I was sitting on a bench by the river in Frankfurt watching a match on a massive screen put up on the other side. A group of three teenage German boys – maybe 15 or 16 – came and sat next to me, as all the other benches were occupied with people watching the game. They were drinking out of lager cans. Nearly every man who walked past glared at me, and one even spat on the ground. I wasn’t even talking to the boys, and they had sat down next to me. I actually felt somebody might try to assault me, so I got up and walked off. One of the boys said ‘scheisser’ at me, because they seemed to have wanted me to talk to them. Maybe the reaction of people was more ‘homophobic’ than ‘paedohysteric’, because I’ve talked to 16 year old girls and nobody really paid me any attention.

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       1. Good thing with Germany: an obviously lying bitch will get thrown out of court (and the wrongly convicted man will go free). The lying bitch may even get a warning not to do this again. German courts do not like being lied to. It is alas more than one can say for courts in many countries

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          1. Wasn’t there a case a couple of years back, mentioned in the comments at Eivind’s blog, of a 15 year old German girl winning a court case to be able to continue her relationship with an older man? As the age of consent is still, I think, 14 (with some added vagueness these days), I’m not sure and can’t remember why she needed to go to court. Maybe her parents had tried to stop the relationship?

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28. Hey everyone,

    As you have probably noticed I bring the good, the bad and the ugly. Let me show you something good.
    I just watched the most recent “maxxed extreme” (whore maxxer/street maxxer) live stream “Better to burn out than fade away.”

    There was a user that asked about her age-gap relationship. She claimed she was 24 and her boyfriend 36, and allegedly she is having trouble with her male family members who don’t approve.

    https://youtu.be/K3DjE4XyK8U?t=12319 (time-stamped)

    Watch from 3:25 for around 10 or 15 minutes. Great attitude and great comment from “maxxed extreme.”

    Great quote from him:”If your family has a problem with a 24-year-old being with a 36-year-old man, your family needs to go see a psychiatrist, and I suggest you tell them that.”

    And he is right. This is example #354875465468. What the hell is going on? This is not normal.

    Some bonus read (bad):
    https://old.reddit.com/r/AgeGap/comments/1mswyjr/is_21_and_29_too_much_of_an_age_gap/

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    1. Thanks for the share Steve. I had missed that one, even though I subscribed to his channel. And of course he is right. There is a mainstream forum I often visit that regularly has threads like the Reddit one you linked to.
       In my opinion, young women shouldn’t even be allowed to publicly say things like – ‘ooh, he’s 10 years older than me, no way am I dating him’ (let alone, ‘creep’, ‘pedo’ etc.). No more than it is acceptable for them to say stuff like ‘ooh, he’s a black guy. There’s no way I’m dating a black guy’. Likewise with other people making comments about age gap relationships (“a 36 year old man dating a 24 year old is icky” == “a black guy dating a white women is icky”).

       It’s pure ageism.

       Pedophile rationalists like Eivind have always thought it a good idea to champion ‘youth rights’, but never mention ageism. As we are more focused on the age gap taboo, we should highlight the disgusting ageism of it all.

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       1. Agree.

          While we are talking about it:

          https://old.reddit.com/r/AgeGap/comments/1mtdtce/i_was_a_bit_judgemental_about_agrs_but_now_that/

          “I met this girl (18F) a few weeks back on Hinge. I saw her profile and saw some important things matched when she liked me. I’m 26M and I’ve always dated right around my age. I used to judge it kind of harshly because in my experience I found girls younger than 2 years below me to be too immature.”

          ->Just pure virtue signalling, and superstition at this point. I hope he got laughed at in real-life, though I doubt it, given the times we are living in, when he stated that women two years younger than him are too young. He is in his mid 20s…head-shake…. Just because he had major problems doesn’t mean others have these problems. I hate those people that try to dictate their problems on you. I hope you see how deep the brainwashing is. Again with another example.

          There is a good reply:

          “Everyone hates age gap relationships until they try one ..

          Age gap relationships succeed or fail just like a normal relationship. Everyone seems to disregard the failure rate of normal relationships in their torch and pitchfork hunt on age gaps.”

          Keep in mind 18 and 26 is relatively tame.

          And once again, we have another man that was finally able to admit that he likes younger women. He could no longer keep his attraction bottled up.

          Maybe we need conversion/baptism rituals as there are in religions (being a bit facetious here).

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29. This age-gap relationship made quite some news in Germany back in 2019, and all the tabloids were full of headlines.

    https://www.bunte.de/stars/stars-die-liebe/wie-michael-wendlers-und-laura-muellers-turbulente-beziehung-begann.html -> Again, use a translator if you are interested.

    Short summary:
    – German B-list? celebrity/Schlager singer Michael Wendler (46 back then) meets Laura Müller (18 back then).
    – She was still going to school when they got together.
    – They are still together and married.
    – Fun fact: Do you know where they live? In Florida out of all place. I know they met in Germany and she was already 18, but imagine he got caught with her in Florida, and her being 2 weeks shy of her 18th birthday…This just came up in my mind.

    I have to congratulate him. I don’t really care about them, but especially in that regard, good for him. Must have been hard weathering the storm, particularly in the beginning. Because of it he had been made fun of and was criticized. Takes balls, as I’ve shown over the last replies. How many men would have chickened out, even if they had the chance? And again another example that shows that men of all ages are attracted to younger women.

    Compare it to:
    https://old.reddit.com/r/AgeGap/comments/1mtl5qg/older_man_interested_in_agr_but_worried_about/

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30. YouTube ‘auditors’ try to provoke a Muslim by calling Muhammed a nonce for marrying a 6 year old. The Muslim retorts that Joseph married Mary when he was 19 and she was 12. Then he mentions that Prince Charles married Diana when she was 18 and he was 32.
    https://youtu.be/atTfuglhls0?si=PkVTytI2MEB4SalX&t=3781

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31. “Moralisch inakzeptabel”
    13-Jährige im Bikini – Eklat bei “Miss Italia”

    English:

    “Morally unacceptible”
    13-year-old in bikini – scandal at “Miss Italia”

    https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/panorama/gesellschaft/id_100869116/miss-italia-eklat-13-jaehrige-im-bikini-bei-schoenheitswettbewerb.html

    -> In German once more, but maybe you can find an article in English if you don’t want to use a translator.

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    1. This is the hag who is blaming the male director of the paegent for it: https://www.radioradio.it/media/2019/02/Patrizia-Mirigliani-1-e1550586291681.jpg

       “13-year-olds should be 13-year-olds and not be catapulted into a world that can’t be theirs, nor should it be,” Mirigliani said. A child’s participation in such a competition is not only against the rules, but also “a serious matter.” There is no justification for it.

       She blames Antonio Contaldo, the long-time regional head of “Miss Italia” in Campania, for the rule violation. He made an “unbelievable mistake” by allowing the minor to appear on stage. According to an official statement, Contaldo has since been removed from his position.”

       It’s funny that she won an award, despite not being eligible. In the early days of the Miss USA contests, they were won by U18s regularly so they raised the minimum age.

       Nobody gives a s*** of course as to what the effect of all this ‘backlash’ will have on the young girl. All the STU hags care about is closing the door to beautiful young teens as far as the sexual market is concerned.

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       1. Here is an English article. The hag whose picture I posted had previously raised the minimum age for entrants.
          https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/italy-miss-italia-pageant-13-year-old-girl.html

          The Italian population is shrinking fast because women aren’t having children. Great idea to remove the most fertile female age group from the dating market.

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          1. What a hag, damn, I need to go wash my eyes out for a week now!

             Italy is so infested with gatekeeping old hags now that they don’t even need to change the age of consent from 14 because it’s effectively 25, with all the seething nonnas keeping the young pussy locked away.

             A few years ago, I had a relationship with an Italian girl that would’ve made those nonnas very very angry. Since then, those nonnas have considerably stepped up their game.

             Great comments on the incels forum. Always some good stuff going on over there.

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32. This is the result of pedo and harsassment hysteria: Men feeling more and more frightened and worry about if a young attractive woman is a minor or not.

    https://incels.is/threads/how-is-a-man-meant-to-approach-women-without-risking-ruining-his-life-by-unknowingly-soliciting-a-minor.780086/

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    Some good topics:

    https://incels.is/threads/society-expects-me-to-hate-pedophiles-without-giving-a-clear-definition-of-what-pedophilia-is.780531/

    https://incels.is/threads/i-got-desensitized-to-conversations-about-pedophilia-because-normies-cant-even-define-it-properly-anymore.779630/

    I don’t recognize his username, and he created his account recently. It is good to see more and more different users that also get this intensifying feeling that the pedo hysteria went totally out of control.

    “”Pedophilia” in a modern sense is the equivalent of “witchcraft” in a medieval one. There existed a period when the worst thing you could be judged for was a witch.” ->100 % correct.

    He compared pedo hysteria to witches and their persecution. IIRC I had the same comparison in my earlier replies on your page.

    These topics on that site aren’t new. They existed for years, but what I have noticed is the frequency of these topics that are being created. At least if feels like that barely a week goes by without a topic about pedophilia and the hysteria. A couple of days ago I just posted a lot that were from the last 3 months or so.

    It might only be a small glimmer of hope, but I have this feeling that more and more people (relatively speaking and still small though) start noticing and question the status quo, at least on some parts of the internet.

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    1. I’ve been saying for years – “if there is any hope, it likes in the incels”.

       It’s ironic that ‘paedophiles’ are the new witches, given that it’s all been created by the same kind of hags who would have been burnt as witches 500 years ago. Paedohysteria is, in a sense, the revenge of the witches.

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    2. Steve…here’s a comment from one of the threads:

       “I got in to heated tiktok arguments and my account got a strike JFL, but one retard that stuck out said that “Pedophilia is pedophila, if she’s 17 or if she’s 4, it doesn’t matter, she’s a CHILD, she cannot CONSENT!!!”

       Why? Why can’t 17 year old consent? How does argue against a normie opinion like this? How would you convince someone that girls should be allowed to sleep with older men, and not just with guys their own age?

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       1. @Duke – you can’t. You can try, as paedophile rationalists like Tom O’Caroll and Eivind have for the last 50 years, with obtuse rational arguments that normies wont listen to. You can point to professor Wolfbanger’s University of Munich study in 1972 that found that 98% of girls who had sex at 15 with older men were still cumming at the memory of it 20 years later. You can bring in Plato and Kant and first person realism and quantum entanglement.

          Normies wont listen.

          All you can do is point out the jumbo sized elephant in the room. There is a reason why 40 year old hags insist that hot 17 year old fully mature females can no more consent than 3 year olds, and a chimpanzee would be able to grasp it immediately. As a certain Mr Hitler was reputed to have said: “The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.”

          And we’ve got to point out the lie and the motives for making it.

          Alas, this will probably always be impossible, despite my best efforts. The sad thing is, I do believe if we could just get to 1,000 men doing this, shaming feminists, spreading the paedocrite and age cuck memes, the STU theory, it would actually have an effect. It’s within reach.

          But…”it’s too simplistic”…”we need to appeal to serious people (naked in the shower)”…”we need to have women on our side”..”the real problem is men”…blah blah blah….

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          1. I will reply to Duke and you in more depth later.

             In the meantime:
             “Alas, this will probably always be impossible, despite my best efforts. The sad thing is, I do believe if we could just get to 1,000 men doing this, shaming feminists, spreading the paedocrite and age cuck memes, the STU theory, it would actually have an effect. It’s within reach.

             But…”it’s too simplistic”…”we need to appeal to serious people (naked in the shower)”…”we need to have women on our side”..”the real problem is men”…blah blah blah….”

             I wouldn’t be so harsh on yourself. As you can see here and there people are admitting what they really want. I think I showed a lot of examples. You people commenting here. Just look at CityCrusher. He may have a little view and sub count, but look at some of the taboo topics he covers. They fit right here on your blog. And look at his vibrant comment section. I have seen users using the word age cuck on his videos too. And don’t forget all the people on Incels.is and their pedo hysteria/age cuck topics.

             I am not euphoric, and the situation is definitely not good, but a small chunk of awakened men exist.

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             1. Thanks Steve, and you’re right that there are glimmers of hope out there.

                Actually, I never expected to even have a small handful of regular commentators so soon after restarting this blog. I expected that Jack would come back and maybe Anon69 and Anonymous 2 visit from Eivind’s blog, but you and Duke have been a very welcome surprise. I think Duke even said that he found me from duckduckgo as well.

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       2. @Duke

          As AF said, you can’t and don’t. Sounds frustrating, and I was thinking about this for a long time as well. The evidence is all on our side. The fact that things have gotten so bad, despite all of this, led me to the conclusion that this is not a objective or rational problem. It is an emotional problem rooted in misandry, especially against men’s natural sexuality, and superstition. You can’t counter such a problem with a rational solution. All the examples, and studies you, AF, others and I have provided is for us to not go insane ourselves.

          I remember you said that many people use legal laws to ascertain whether something is moral or not. 18 is legal, so moral, 17 and under is illegal (depending on country or state) is not. But here is the thing, these people just use it either way. I have read many times that just because something is legal doesn’t make it automatically moral. See? Apart from the situation already worse. You younger girlfriend or wife could be already in her twenties, and you still get called a pedo. These people are not looking for solutions that takes everything into account. These people wanna see you dead. Yes, ultimately and if given free reign, they would want you dead for what you desire. That’s why I really like CityCrusher. I appreciate him highlighting the animosity against men which is rooted much deeper.

          Isn’t there a famous saying in the U.S.: “We don’t negotiate with terrorists”? That’s what we have. From our point of view, they are the terrorists.

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          1. That’s a great comment Steve.

             If you look at homosexuals, how many times do you hear them trying to come up with complicated arguments as to why homosexuality isn’t immoral? What they tend to do instead is claim that straight men who are vocally ‘homophobic’ are ‘closet gays’. Rather like my ‘paedocrite’ meme. (and of course, it’s 1,000 times truer in the case of paedocrites, as virtually every heterosexual man does find teen girls attractive).
             And what really kickstarted ‘gay liberation’ were the Stonewall Riots.

             Likewise with trannies. Can anybody here name a tranny argument as to why they should have equal rights? Tranny activists are known for being a lot of things, but being calm and polite rationalists isn’t one of them, especially when it comes to ‘debating’ with feminists.

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             1. You have a great point here. Imagine Stonewall Riots but with heterosexual men protesting for the right to bang young teens? 2025 Anglosphere is truly upside down.

                Trannies and gays mostly shamed and personally attacked their opponents, without rationalization. If it worked for them, could it work for us?

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33. I found some interesting comment in the wild. Since I can’t highlight words or parts of sentences, I will highlight them with arrows.

    “Mgtow is the only way. Female nature is universal. Western women (which covers all races now) couldn’t care less about validation unless it’s from a guy they like anyway. Men dropping out of society and offing themselves is at a constant and will increase in time to come.

    ->They all want to date someone their age (the key variable that feminism changed), I personally don’t want to date 30+ years old woman, single mums, divorced etc, but I’m invisible to young women, so at some point you just throw the towel in and live for yourself.Yeah there are plenty of western women that aren’t whores, but when you consider what most men find attractive in women usually 15-30yo (yes high school girls do date other high school guys) and the fact that they think anyone more than 3-5 years older as being too old, it’s stacked against you. <-

    Then again, even if I was 20 years old again, there's no guarantee a same age woman would find me attractive either. I heard on a livestream recently that you actually have zoomer men dating boomer (literally) aged women, what hope do we have? So i just accepted it and went mgtow. I still have moments where it hurts real bad, but usually just sleep it off and get on with the simple life that I have. We have no intrinsic value."

    Very good comment, but so close to the complete truth. What do I mean?

    "Yeah there are plenty of western women that aren't whores, but when you consider what most men find attractive in women usually 15-30yo (yes high school girls do date other high school guys)…."

    Look how he mentions the attraction from 15-30yo. He went below the magical number of 18, only to retract his statement a bit by saying,"yes high school girls do date other high school guys."

    He just couldn't go all the way. Because with adding,"yes high school girls do date other high school guys," he makes it sound like that "of course" only other 15-, 16-year-old would date a 15-year-old. Nonetheless, good comment. Keep in mind this was posted where saying that 15-year-olds are hot is a big no.

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    1. @Steve

       Do you have any incels.is links on the teen brain myth?

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       1. In the UK they have given 16 year olds the vote, yet still 16 and 17 year olds are considered children when it comes to sex, and the same UK governemnt is blocking 17 year olds from seeing even videos showing the situation in Gaza or the Ukraine. Nothing about this is rational.

          Having said that, Ernest Belfort Bax was criticizing feminists over 100 years ago for the obvious contradiction in wanting to give 18 year old women the vote whilst at the same time trying to raise the age of consent to 21.

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       2. @Duke

          Nothing from Incels.is at hand, but these:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb8714nk0Rw

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVt2wuUzvtw

          The second video is by CityCrusher. I have posted his video a couple of weeks ago.

          I also intended to post these anyway since I would like your perspective as a Republican party member. How can it be that depending on the situation a “minor” can be an adult or a toddler at the same time? When minors become violent many people demand they are tried as adult, and recieve harsh sentences or even the would want the death penalty if allowed. As far as I know underage people can’t receive the death penalty, but I may be wrong. But when it is just sex, not even a hint of violence, all of the sudden “minors” become little toddlers instantly.

          How does the Republican party deal with this cognitive dissonance or double standard? If you discuss topics with other party members or go to party gatherings are these topics ever discussed, or are they taboo?

          Here is a tweet from Musk and Trump:

          https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1952836498971344926 -> Look how Trump is putting “minors” in quotes all of the sudden.

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          1. Phenomenal point, Steve. You put articulated what I was thinking into words. My answer is bit hard to explain, but just bear with me on this.

             The cognitive dissonance factor regarding minors and their legal status is something that has always bugged me. Of course, childhood innocence has become so politicized in recent years, especially with the “Save the children” movement with Reps have always been vocal about (QAnon, Pizzagate, conspiracy theories, etc.) That’s the agenda they want to push.

             Reps have been very vocal about being “tough on crime” because of designated their moral righteousness to punish the “bad guys”. A lot of vigilantes seem to fall within the politically spectrum, politically

             Reps have always been more censorship heavy, if it means to “protect the children”. Like with porn and nudity. Reps have only been vocal with trafficking, but that’s only for their “protect the children” agenda, while the feminists themselves use the trafficking narrative to advertise the “suppression of women’s rights”. Feminists tend be much more left wing, do to their progressiveness. Both the conservatives and the liberals take the stronghold in the pedophile panic, and that creates a bad mix and recipe for disaster. Now they have a common go. To “eradicate the pedos”.

             The main fundamental problem I see here is the polarization of the word “pedophile”. Everyone uses this word now and it’s become so attached to our society vernacular that we both pretty much use it to slander each other, if I’m going to be honest.

             Like I said, I don’t agree with reps all the way. Many of whom are pro-death penalty, anti-abortion, etc. With the whole pedophile panic going on, that’s where I don’t agree with them. Most people who read this will assume that I am the “other side”. That’s where I avoid conversations like that with other reps. I don’t want to interject myself and get interpreted as defending “pedos”. Most of interactions consist more of economic and social policies, rather than most of the legal arguments.

             I think the whole minor thing plays into the tabooness of sex. For conservatives, it reminisces of traditionalism, which is why so many anti-sex people have religious backgrounds..

             Since sex and porn is primarily situated as “18+/Adult’s only, we take that so literally, even though personally, I see nothing wrong with a 17 year old enjoying porn. It’s like where teaching them to afraid of natural woman’s body. Yet, like you said, we only because somehow anything related to sex is apparently the destroyer of innocence.

             So, to put it simply, I don’t agree with many conservatives on that. At least the ones that are vocal. Politics may seem very black and white from our own media, but when it comes to the sex panic and talk of “pedophiles”, everyone goes into a frenzy and wants to grab their torches and pitchforks. Liberals, conservatives, you name it. Everyone is like this. Look at how everyone clamors for the Epstein files to be released, even though the FBI /DOJ said that there was nothing of that sort.

             You can’t question the modern perception of sex, but it clashes with “innocence”, so that where I tend to avoid those things all together because more than likely, the word “pedo” is brought up and you don’t want question or stay nuanced in that, due to how sensitive something like that is.

             I remember reading a news article on the Central Park five. There’s historical records of Trump advocating for the death penalty for those people, even though the ones convicted (falsely) were teenagers. No one died, but Trump was staunch on his pro-death penalty stance.

             Sorry if this all a bit wonky. I’m literally about to fall asleep will writing this.

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    2. When the magical age isn’t 18 in the US and Anglosphere, it’s never any lower than 16, but he even went below that. The caveat that high school girls date high school boys could be seen as value-neutral and a mere statement of fact-studied ambiguity, one might say.
       Anyway, thanks for sharing.

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34. Another example of other people noticing something is not right:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/AgeGap/comments/1mye7l8/extreme_antiage_gap_beliefs_on_college_campuses/

    https://old.reddit.com/r/AgeGapRidiculousViews/

    The last one is quite new and small subreddit, but still.

    https://old.reddit.com/r/AgeGapRidiculousViews/comments/1mz92pd/please_touch_grass/
    ->read this if you wanna “laugh.” It may just be one opinion, but there many others that think like that, and the fact that someone is even thinking this in the first place…

    Other intersting threads:
    https://old.reddit.com/r/AgeGap/comments/1mzkndn/do_you_think_that_older_women_are_genuinely/

    https://old.reddit.com/r/AgeGap/comments/1mzlr65/double_standards_in_family/

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    1. Another man that likes young women, happily has sex with them, but is again another one that is embarrassed and ashamed because of his social reputation.

       “He doesn’t really like to be public with me, since he is embarrassed of our age gap and afraid of judgement. He has made it very clear that he doesn’t want people to know we hook up since he doesn’t want to be labeled a creep.”

       From my home country Germany apparently.

       https://old.reddit.com/r/AgeGap/comments/1mzvnnx/interested_in_a_man_older_than_my_mom/

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    2. The thread asking whether older women are ‘concerned’ or simply jealous is a classic. At least it seems the majority agree that a lot of the older women are jealous – which is more than you would get in a MAP forum, or Eivind’s paedophile blog.

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       1. “At least it seems the majority agree that a lot of the older women are jealous…”

          AF, you passed judgement too soon. Take a look at it again…

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35. Another man tired of the pedo hysteria.

    https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxcb7g95XXSwCuQ3GwLaEcT_1_tEXcd1Ct

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRaFBBs1MVM

    He is also German and associated with CityCrusher.

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    1. Thanks Steve, hopefully it’s a sign that a real men’s rights movement is growing again.

       I think he is maybe connected to the blog I linked to the other day? https://promalecollective.wordpress.com/

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    2. Unfortunately, that’s what he writes: “i’m sick and tired of this pedo-smearing culture. it’s all nonsense. this man got arrested for anime pictures. ANIME! jesus christ! yeah, let’s not invest time and resources to focus on real child abuse, that harms actual existing children, like circumcision, abusive single mothers, female teacher predators (and all kinds of other female predators that are underreported, but could be lurking close to children, because jobs that work with children are female-dominated); no, let’s go after fictional anime content! that’s saving the children!”

       He too is into “saving the children” and going after “female predators”.

       This shows we’re not out of the woods by a long shot. Even people we think are our allies are still 80% buying into the hysteria, alas. Anyone waving the “save the children” flag is fueling the hysteria. This is where my stance and Eivind’s would overlap.

       Of course what happens with this guy is that he is so awed by his own statement that he feels he cannot get away with it unless he throws Hysteria a bone.

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       1. Yes, that’s true Jack – another equality of injustice MRA at heart. All we can do is explain to them that feminists are behind the whole save the children narrative, above all the age of consent and paedohysteria. This is why it makes sense to focus more on feminists when we are trying to appeal largely to MRAs.

          I’m trying not to mention Eivind, because he’s clearly a loon at this point who needs to be totally distanced from, but obviously as I’m sure you’ll agree, he goes to the other extreme with his constant white knighting for female sex offenders. And I agree with this MRA that it’s a diabolical injustice that female sex offenders often get the pussy pass for banging 13 year old Tyrones in class, whilst thousands of men are getting put on sex offenders registers and even serving prison time for watching anime cartoons in their own home. All laws championed for by women.

          But then, Eivind thinks both you and me should be put in hellhole prisons for looking at legal porn (and Anon69, and Anonymous2, and Amelio – whilst he’s going around taking creepshots of teens and bbws and acting like the man because he doesn’t fear having a spell in a five star Norwegian ‘prison’. They’d probably even let him take his cat with him, lol).

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36. Even though you don’t agree with everything, but he made a follow-up video talking about his comment post.

    https://youtu.be/ek0f8LLU2Iw?t=341 (time-stamped)

    Nonetheless good comment by him about 18-year-olds.

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37. Found an interesting subreddit.

    https://old.reddit.com/r/Pro_Male_Collective/comments/1n2hfzg/inceltears_user_calls_natural_attraction_to_fully/

    ->Good thread about the losing meaning of pedophilia.

    I think this subreddit is managed by the guys associated with CityCrusher.

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38. Be careful what you are doing out there with your face out.

    https://old.reddit.com/r/Teenager/comments/1n3pwng/some_pedo_texted_me/

    I am not blaming him for his attractions to a 15-year-old. And ironically he doesn’t even have the “stereotypical” look of a “pedophile.” He may as well look/be like a anti-pedo vigilante.

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    1. -Bored girl wants attention, posts phone number knowing she will get replies
       -Gets reply from normal guy
       -Girl baits normal guy
       -Guy takes bait
       -Girl gets attention she wanted, then leverages that into more attention by playing a victim with the help of modern feminist culture and laws.

       In the past, it would’ve either resulted in a meetup, or simple lost time for the man. The last part, the false victimhood, is the product of feminist policy in 2025.

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39. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUOYUapgseg

    Being attracted to 17-year-olds makes you a “pedo.”

    Stupid, disgusting man in this video. That man is an “uncle tom.” As CityCrusher would probably say, it isn’t about protecting children, but getting the man. Just to get men get hanged from the gallows.

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    1. Looks 100% like a stereotypical (real) paedophile. He is Argentinian? I bet even now most Argentinian men wouldn’t say that attraction to 17 year olds is paedophilia.

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40. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Seinfeld#Relationships_and_marriage

    Let’s end the month of August with some good news from bygone days.

    Read the paragraph with Seinfeld and his relationship with a 17-year-old. Not only dating her as a celebrity, but also openly and for everyone to see. Even bringing her along to official events. Look what was possible even up to the 90s.

    Now compare it to the most modern notion of pedophilia and the video I just posted a couple of hours ago.

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41. https://x.com/BrandonWarmke/status/1985863513840165322

    “Male students show more tolerance for their political enemies than females show for their own allies.”

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42. I’ve been studying the older Richard Hanania essay that Steve linked to the other day (I find it helps to print out articles and essays you really want to read and understand).
    https://www.richardhanania.com/p/hitler-demi-moore-and-other-pedophiles

    Much of it is like reading a version of Eivind Berge who has 50 points higher IQ than him AND who can recognize the key role older women’s sexual jealousy plays in paedohysteria. He also recognizes the role of technology and that certain sexual attitudes today can be maladaptive legacies of the past, especially given the contraceptive pill, and this has been hidden, I guess, through the liberal/feminist insistance on blank slate theory, something which even the religious right leans towards sometimes (at least in their anti-evolutionary thinking).

    Here are some excerpts:

    “The left dislikes age disparities, at least when the man is older, which is in part rooted in the feminist denial of human nature, and in part based on the fact that a lot of female journalists are getting older and less attractive, if they were ever attractive in the first place, and think that this is some great injustice that culture and the law need to correct. Modern liberals also deny any significant differences between men and women in terms of the psychological consequences of sex. The right, meanwhile, is paranoid about elites and tends to buy into moral panics involving children, and believes in severely punishing those who break the law. Hence, we’ve converged on a synthesis in which adult women who have sex with teen boys are “pedophiles” who need to go to jail for several decades.”

    “One thing to note about this development is that, as I argue happened in the area of civil rights, culture was shaped by the law. The government has spent decades forcing institutions to censor speech that upsets members of protected classes and treat racial disparities as necessarily resulting from discrimination. After a few decades, people started to internalize the idea that it was normatively desirable to have equality of results and remove all offensive speech from public discourse. Likewise, to many people, “pedophilia” is no longer a word that refers to sexual attraction towards prepubescent children, but to any kind of sex that is illegal. People even transfer modern American age of consent standards to foreign countries and previous eras, which we see in the “Hitler was a pedophile” discourse. And as with wokeness, a few people seek status by going beyond internalizing legal standards and follow things to their logical conclusion, thus declaring that all major age gaps are either a form of pedophilia or pedophilia-adjacent.”

    “Conservatives often have extremely paranoid theories about who liberals are and what they’re doing. To me, as mentioned above, much of liberalism seems understandable if you accept blank slatism. Unfortunately, the opposition to blank slate ideology over the last half century has often come in the form of Christian conservatism, which defends traditional norms regarding sexual matters as a matter of religious dogma rather than pragmatic adaptations through which to navigate inherently difficult issues. Christian conservatives unfortunately can’t take a consistent stand against blank slatism because they are uncomfortable with evolutionary psychology and have often found gene-denial useful for their own purposes, like when arguing that homosexuality is a choice or has completely environmental causes. Sometimes, the right finds that it has the same goal as feminists and therefore finds no need to push back on their model of sex differences, or lack thereof. The norm that says powerful men shouldn’t leave their wives for younger women helps preserve marriages, which conservatives find good for their own reasons, without thinking much about the broader consequences of denying human nature.”

    “In the realm of sex, the one major technological development that must be taken into account is birth control. It would be strange to have the same opinion about ideal social arrangements for both before and after the pill was invented — obviously, the consequences of sex have changed, and norms and laws should take that into account. That being said, no scientific advancement has fundamentally changed male or female nature, and certain tensions inherent in the human condition, particularly related to what individuals find attractive in the opposite sex, remain with us. Men desire to monopolize sexual access to a committed partner, but only when she’s young and ideally would like to be free to find other women themselves. Women want to somehow have their own autonomy respected, and also to find men who are able to take control and make them forget they ever thought in such silly terms in the first place.”

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43. One of Eivind’s commentators had referred to a 2017 study amongst Ukrainian university students that apparently shows women being LESS ‘paedophobic’ than men.

    https://ijip.in/wp-content/uploads/ArticlesPDF/article_8e4f32b7ef733784ae2b822eaae85bba.pdf

    The commentator suggests that this contradicts my STU theory. Fuck no. If that commentator is MH, I am disappointed in you sir, although it’s hard to tell as Eivind’s ‘followers’ are too cowardly to even choose a username.

    First of all, I was living in the Ukraine in 2017. Whilst I didn’t date any girls younger than 18, I saw enough to know that paedohysteria was very different at that time to what it was and is in the West (and for all I know, is now in the Ukraine). I can’t see any attempt in the study (from my brief glance) to define what ‘paedophilia’ is, but I know that most respondents to that survery would see paedophilia similar to how it used to mean in the West before it was inflated by feminists – ie. sex with real children under the age of 12.

    I can’t speak for that, as this is not a paedophile or even a ‘MAP’ blog. That’s Eivind’s niche.

    Secondly, the respondents were all young Ukrainian students. The very fact that Ukrainians begin University at 17 should tell you something about a possible cultural difference in that country.

    Thirdly, you must have the intelligence to see that a male questioned about attitudes to paedophilia will be more likely to be thinking of his own safety in giving his response than a woman. Hell if somebody with a clipboard came up to me in the street and asked whether paedophiles caught having sex with 9 year olds should be executed, I’d probably say yes.

    Fourthly, sorry but I can’t take a study that uses the term ‘Pedophilophobia’ very seriously.

    If this commentator wants to fantasize like Eivind that 90% of women would really love to let men fuck 13 year old girls, and that it’s nasty men who are preventing it, then dream on by all means. I refer you to the UK poll highlighted in this article that showed only 4% of UK women were OK with a 40 year old man dating a 16 year old girl. But it’s great that at a Ukrainian university in 2017, 18 year old women were slightly more OK about not executing paedos for having sex with toddlers than 18 year old men. I honestly don’t see how it contradicts STU theory.

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    1. 
       The commentator suggests that this contradicts my STU theory. Fuck no. If that commentator is MH, I am disappointed in you sir, although it’s hard to tell as Eivind’s ‘followers’ are too cowardly to even choose a username.

       I didn’t read your entire comment yet, so I can’t take a stance to this BUT,
       I always sign my comments, always….otherwise it would be a mess.
       For some reason it was impossible to write name to proper column in googleblog, so I always put my initials under my comment at Eivind’s blog.

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       1. Thanks, I’m glad it wasn’t you. I only thought it might be you because you seem to be the only one still commenting on Eivind’s blog.

          Thinking about the Ukraine again, I remember during my last few days there in 2018 or 2019, I was sitting outside a cafe in the main street in Kyiv, and a pair of ‘PUAS’ – at least in their late twenties – were going up to girls, and mostly young girls as in 13 or 14, and briefly chatting them up and then literally trying to force their tongues down their throats. Most of the girls just playfully resisted and went away giggling, but some happily let them tongue kiss them. One of the PUAs would film it while the other one approached the girls. They would have gotten lynched doing that in the USA or Britain, but nobody was even paying attention to it in the busiest street in Kyiv other than myself!

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          1. They would have gotten lynched doing that in the USA or Britain, but nobody was even paying attention to it in a busiest street in Kyiv other than myself!

             This is why I consider sociocultural environment as important factor.
             IMO there could be multiple various societies with same natural traits (and perhaps even degree of industrialisation), yet they can look very differently.

             BTW: I am not sure if I would like to see PUAs hanging around my early teenage daughter, yet I would have no problem if she was (normally)dating/with all that comes with it/ even some older foreign exchange student or whatever.

             Thirdly, you must have the intelligence to see that a male questioned about attitudes to paedophilia will be more likely to be thinking of his own safety in giving his response than a woman. Hell if somebody with a clipboard came up to me in the street and asked whether paedophiles caught having sex with 9 year olds should be executed, I’d probably say yes.

             I understand. Also I wonder whether i.e. B.Hewson would managed to die of natural causes if she was a male, while doing same things she did in UK.
             Other question is where it will ends then.

             I remember one personal anecdote: Many years ago, there was some bloke in my working (male)collective who once got outraged by news of some sexual abuse (of prepubescent). He stated something like:
             We should reinstate death penalty again.
             Other people didn’t react. It was obvious, they didn’t know how to react.
             I said something like (not exact words) : 1. I am against death penalty. 2.There was never death penalty , nor even life sentence in our country for such offence, and if we want to live in a civilised society there should be some proportionality in our criminal law. And the maximum penalty for every act we abhor, diminishes the value of life (of potential victim).
             He was grumbling something like: You would talk differently if it was your child….you would talk differently
             Surprisingly, it had no consequences for me at the time.
             I am not sure if I would be so “brave” today(even if it was about teenagers)……but…where it will ends, where it will all ends then.

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             1. TBH if I had a teenage daughter, I’d be unhappy if she were dating a guy the same age as me.

                Of course, I might also be unhappy if she was dating a black guy, but I wouldn’t support it being illegal.

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                1. but I wouldn’t support it being illegal.
                   Me neither of course.

                2. This Two Ronnies classic sketch just showed up in my YouTube feed: “Meeting the Girlfriend’s Father”.
                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcJ7pTxjCXk

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