A recent survey has revealed that Denmark’s residents are strongly opposed to a ban on prostitution.
The news comes this week via a new study commissioned by the Jyllands Posten news agency and conducted by Ramboll Analyse/Danmark. Results from the survey revealed an overwhelming majority of Danes think such a ban would only bring additional danger for those working within the sex industry.
Figures showed that 67% of respondents were against a prostitution ban, whilst only around 20% said they would be in favour of such legislation.
Despite the findings, some Danish lawmakers predictably continue to push for changes to legislation. Rasmus Horn Langhoff of the Socialdemokraterne party said in an interview with Jyllands Posten:
I agree that ratifying a ban will take a lot of work, but we must send a clear message that it is not okay to buy sex because of how negative it is for the women.
However, officials from the Gadejuristen (the Street Lawyer) law agency, which works with sex workers on a regular basis, said that a ban would only make the current situation worse. Lawyer Nanna Gottfredsen said on behalf of the firm:
It’s completely wrong if you think that you can solve serious social issues by criminalising them. Doing this will only worsen the situation. You push the sex workers further into a grey zone. They will hide themselves and their activities and social workers will no longer be able to contact those in need of help.
Meanwhile, a leading Irish escort agency has pleaded with the government to listen to the voices of sex workers themselves rather than the jealous old hags of the sexual trade union :
Miserable Irish politicians considering banning prostitution have been urged to back off by a leading escort agency. MPs and senators mulling over new laws to outlaw customers paying for sex have even been invited to visit the offices of Escort Ireland. The web firm submitted a lengthy appeal to the Leinster House committee looking at law changes.
Great article. It is also great to see that you attack feminist defined male sexuality.
I arrived at the men’s movement through interest in male sexual liberty and its restriction, be it age of consent issue (access to post-pubertal women), prostitution and simply sexual freedom.
Then I found out about father’s rights and the absurd enslavement of “good” family men. Really shocking. Did not know about it though I probably unconsciously avoided getting kids because of such laws. I had women that wanted my kids, no strings attached, just for their nice green eyes. I knew better and emptied out my condoms after use and checked if the condom wrappers still had air in them before use.
What still takes me aback is the great rift between the conservative father’s movement, that wants to make sure the perverts preying on their 17 year old daughters go to prison, and the sexual liberation anti-feminists.
It is very sad that the feminists disagree on prostitution and sexual liberty, but still invite SCUM authors and still don’t get a serious rift between the sexual liberation feminists and the main stream sex repressors. They agree but unite against men on all other issues they agree on.
On the other hand I am still dismayed that some great mens rights blogs got shut down because of a well known and very serious argument with well known writers of this great site. That rift could have ended in serious legal trouble, court and prison.
Men don’t need feminists to disturb their liberation movement, they destroy each other. This is very sad, and an issue that needs to be addressed.
While some people here would support lowering the age of consent to 16, very few would just support getting government out of adolescent’s bed rooms and scrape age of consent altogether or get it to protect only pre-pubertal children.
I keep repeating that that does not mean that people are free to prey on your daughters, it means that it should not be the government’s problem how you EDUCATE and CONTROL your daughter.
Also I don’t need to stress that age of consent draconian laws with absurd punishments (it should be a misdemeanor to err by 1-2 years) make women 5 years above the age of consent too dangerous to deal with (to be on the safe side don’t mess with anyone under 25. Even if you are only 20)
Notice this rather less perfect comment from the usually excellent ‘STU’ underneath the same article :
Hating on men for their sexuality, sex lives etc is one of the main tools feminists use to bring men down. Even men get on the bandwagon hating on other men for this. They should just shrug and say, so what. It’s all manginarism though, pretending to be horrified at the sex life of another man who has earned the wrath of the feminists. It’s all about…..yes……I’m not like that….I am……The One Good Man…….now…..how about a blow job.
We should just shrug and say so what, at any and all men’s sexual activity, apart from sexual activity with minors, or actual forced rape of course. In fact, we should have the same attitude for women to. Fuck as many men as you like, play on both sides of the fence, have all the fetishes and perversion that take your fancy……..fine by us….it’s only a problem when a woman uses her sexual activity to hurt men, cry victim, sexually out others to do harm, or make profit. I would put slutwalkers into that category as well.
“apart from sexual activity with minors, or actual forced rape of course”.
Now that’s odd, because STU here is putting having sex with minors (under 18) on the same level as forced rape, even though in bar a handful of Islamic medieval states, nowhere on Earth is it yet illegal to simply have sex with a consenting 17 year old. Even in the US of A, the age of consent is 16 in most states. In Europe, the average age of consent is 14.
Furthermore, despite being an experienced MRA, who appears to ‘get it’ as far as the understanding of feminist control of male sexuality is concerned, STU appears unaware or oblivious to the fact that it was feminists who created statutory rape laws in the late 19th and early 20th century.
Unfortunately, for some MRAs, feminist self-interested control of male sexuality is actually a good thing when it happens to agree with a conservative father’s desire for sexual control over his teenage daughter.
And let’s be honest, it’s as much men as women who shame other men for using sex toys.. Sometimes I think that this is must be some kind of deep-rooted psychological inability of men to admit or even discuss anything which might be seen as an admission of ‘sexual inferiority’ to rival males – in the same way that most white men will never admit that white women (who aren’t fat and ugly, at least) find black men sexually attractive (whether it’s true or not).
It’s rather illuminating with regards to older men and teens, that the media, after all the draconian legislation and moral shaming, still has a need to portray these ‘paedophiles’ as sexual losers, who ‘can’t get a woman their own age’. Thus, remarkably easily, the sexual trade union has managed to define men finding nubile fertile girls at the height of their sexual attractiveness as the ultimate in unmasculinity. Feminists know that a man being defined as a sexual loser is as painful to most men as years in prison spent being raped in the ass as a sex predator.
And this leads to the question as to whether that same psychology will prevent there even being a men’s rights movement that is positively pro-male sexuality. For to admit that male sexuality is being victimised by feminists is perhaps too close to an individual male admitting that he is, in some sense, a sexual loser.
This is one reason why I’m very conscious of not furthering the image of MRAs being sexual losers, especially when we know it is the feminists and their unattractive female support base, and their omega male mangina white knight champions, who are evidently the ones who can’t get laid, who need to criminalize others to have any hope at all of succeeding sexually.
In fact, if you have seen photographs or video of some of the leading men’s rights activists – such as AngryHarry, W.F.Price, Paul Elam, Bernard Chapin, Warren Farrell – they are all, despite being in or past middle-age, handsome men. Compare that to the leading feminists, and indeed, the leading manginas..
And there is always the Japanese. Certainly Japanese men don’t seem to have any hang ups about sex toys at all. In Japan, the gender roles in relation to the purchase and use of sex toys is almost completely reversed. For every vibrator, there are a dozen male masturbators – often of astonishing variety and complexity. Take a look, for example, at the following Japanese online sex toy shop : http://www.sextoysjapan.com/
To paraphrase Winston Smith in 1984 – ‘if there is hope, it lies in the Japs’…
Interesting YouTube video I just stumbled upon – a plain looking female twenty something frump honestly explains the lengths that women like her have to go to in order to compete in a free sexual market. In fact, most women, even those who were formerly beautiful girls, are as plain as this women is when they are without their makeup on by the time they reach their…oooh… mid-twenties.
Women spend 3 years of their lives in total performing this shit, all with the purpose of sending false sexual signals to men that they are still peak fertility, or rather peak attractive, teenage girls. Feminists call PUAs who do their own (psychological ‘alpha male’) version of this – ‘rapists’.
And of course, bleached hair, contact lenses, half a kilo of war paint, and 3 years of your life are only half of the battle. Women still need feminists to criminalise male sexuality at every turn, along with creating the most backward hysteria seen in the civilised world since the late middle-ages.
Millions of young Japanese women and girls visit my city every year, and each passing summer I’ve noticed that they never fail to look better and better. I’ve always been a veritable connoisseur of eye candy, but less than a couple of decades ago and Japanese girls were almost entirely invisible to me as I passed them in the street. They all seemed to look the same – little narrow eyes, black lifeless hair, identical skin tones… There was nothing about them to either notice or to tell them apart.
Yet now it’s rare for me to walk through any touristy part of town and not run into at least one or two Japanese girls that genuinely take my breath away. These days, they are stunning more often than they are not – some of them not only unique but seemingly arrived from another and more beautiful world entirely.
It’s all fake of course. For example, the beautiful big manga eyes that Japanese girls have ‘evolved’ within a generation are the result of operations and specially designed cosmetic contact lenses.
Not that there’s anything wrong with sexual forgery in a female. A man, at least, does not feel like he has been raped merely because the woman who has seduced him into bed tells him that she is 5 years older than he had presumed. And if you do wake up in bed next to a frumpy Japanese girl when you remember taking home a stunning anime like babe, then at least you won’t have to blame the distorted lenses of your beer goggles.
The increasingly fake beauty of Japanese women in particular point the way towards a near future where most people will be having sex with each other virtually – a world in which how you appear to your lover can be entirely tailored to their (and your) sexual tastes. Articifial though such a world may be, at least we can hope that the sexual trade union will have ultimately lost its very reason to be.
If men are really hardwired to prefer teenage girls, why are there so relatively few men having relationships with (legal) 16 and 17 year old girls?
I’ve been pleading with loyal and highly-esteemed reader ‘Highwayman’ to write a guest post here, or at InMalaFide, for some time, but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. Reading an old comment of his this morning made me realise I can do the next best thing – publish one of his best comments as a post.
Highwayman is replying to a comment from a femiservative reader – Danica – who questions whether many 40 year old men would really want to have a relationship with a 16 year old girl, by pointing to the fact that the age of consent is still 16 in many places and yet such relationships appear quite rare.
QUOTE: “Do 40 year old men really want relationships with 16 year olds? No.”
Well 16 year old girls are illegal in many US and Australian States. Furthermore, as the Age of Consent is 18 in California the meme that 16 year olds are “jailbait” and “16 will get you 20″ has spread throughout the Anglosphere and beyond as a lot of entertainment media is produced in Southern California. Even in jurisdictions where 16 year old girls are legal there are many ways for a man to get into trouble via laws against “grooming”, laws criminalizing men for taking a sexy photograph of their under-18 girlfriend, vaguely written “sexual exploitation” laws such as we have in Canada, laws against having sexual relationships with under-18s if the person over 18 is in “a position of authority”..etc. Given this legal situation is it any wonder that older men avoid relationships with young girls? Also keep in mind that in many jurisdictions laws governing sex with “minors” are strict liability offences where the adult will be punished even if he reasonably believed that the girl in question was over 16/17/18 (depending on the jurisdiction) therefor not only do men generally avoid under 18s but they also tend to avoid under 21s as well (to avoid the risk of an underage sex charge should the girl turn out to be under 18).
On top of the legal situation described above you also have a cultural environment where the definition of pedophilia has been extended to include sexual attraction to girls under the age of 18. Thus a man with a 16 year old girlfriend (or a man who desires one) will be branded a “sick pervert” or a “pedophile” and risk serious social ostracism.
Another thing that prevents many relationships between older men and young girls from happening are laws such as the legal drinking age ( 18 or 19 in Canada depending on the province and 21 in all US States) legal driving ages and laws/practices WRT how old you have to be to participate in certain recreational activities (nightclubs..etc) these laws and practices encourage a high level of age segregation.
Finally there is the fact that many 16 year old girls today are brought up in a culture of extended childhood and the result of this upbringing may make a number of 16 year olds unattractive to men (for relationship purposes). While some people may say “just let a kid be a kid” some mental health professionals have noted that this culture of extended childhood is NOT HEALTHY for adolescents.
In conclusion, I am simply trying to drive home the point that while it may be true that many men avoid 16 year old girls, this situation is an artificial one created by age of consent laws, pedohysteria, legal and cultural age segregation practices and a culture of extended childhood…if those factors where to change I guarantee you that there would be a very significant increase in the number of men who would be interested in 16 year old girls.
Of course the tables aren’t really turned because the guy would be in even more trouble for ‘sexual harrassment’ than he would be for looking at semi-exposed breasts. I think the very first time I questioned the societal assumption that women have it worse than men was when, as a teenager, reading a Sunday tabloid column by the politically incorrect ‘doctor’ Vernan Coleman, I came across a similar example of blatant sexual double standards that the author highlighted. : If a man looks out from his window and is transfixed by the sight of a female neighbour undressing in front of her window, then he could be arrested for voyeurism. On the other hand, if she looks out of her window and stares incredulously at the sight of him undressing in front of his bedroom window, then HE could be arrested for indecent exposure.
I think that was the moment I began to realise that feminism was just a crock of entitlement bullshit, a sexual trade union even. By the way, don’t you think the cartoon above would make a great t-shirt? Maybe it would provoke a few such ‘epiphanal’ moments in other young men?
Meanwhile Hank Pellissier wants to talk. He’s suggested that IEET.org could publish an article containing men’s rights criticisms of his ‘estrogen utopia’ plan :
HI — I have an idea for an article that might get run at IEET but there’s no guarantee — an article called: “Estrogen Utopia? or XX Dystopia? – feminist vs antifeminist debate”
It could be set up as a double-interview with each side answering questions and responding critically to each other’s statements. Let me know if this interests you, via facebook
At what age is the average female most sexually alluring to an ordinary, healthy, uncastrated male? Is it even possible to ask this question in the climate of today, and expect a reasonably honest answer? There have been a couple of good tries in the anti-feminist community recently, but such attempts inevitably end up with men playing the ‘I’m less of a paedophile than any other man here – feminists might be reading’ game. Perhaps, on such topics, we should follow the sage advice of Ludwig Wittgenstein, and accept that ‘of that which we cannot speak of, we ought to remain silent’? At least this way some semblance of male dignity is preserved.
Well, I’m going to have a go at a politically incorrect, honest analysis of what evolutionary theory, and not the deluded wishes of 31 year old women, would predict men to find most attractive, age wise, in females.
But not today. If something so politically incorrect is worth doing, then it’s worth doing well, and I need your help. I’m asking readers like Highwayman, Frank, RR, and others, as well as other bloggers such as Human-Stupidity and Jay Hammers to give me some suggestions and advice. Any links and resources would also be most valued.
Hopefully I’ll have the article completed before I allow my wandering eyes to put theory into practice on the beaches of the French riviera next month. But for now, here is a sketch of some of the points I will be addressing :
The concept of ‘peak fertility’. A mistake often made is to assume that because a woman reaches peak fertility (number of eggs produced) at age 22 or so, that this means that men will find her most attractive at 22. False. You also have to factor in the number of remaining years of fertility into the equation. Also, the likelihood of the girl being a virgin or not (‘mummy’s baby, daddy’s maybe’). For these reasons, even though an 18 year old may be slightly ‘less fertile’ than a 22 year old, ET would still predict that men would prefer the 18 year old. (and there are also good ET reasons why a woman would reach peak fertility some time after she has bonded with/attracted a male provider – I will explain these in the finished article).
Evidence through long-term history. The well-established fact that the norm has been for men to marry girls shortly after the commencement of fertility (the menarche).
Evidence through recent history. Whatever the situation in America, in Europe both ‘paedohysteria’ and the extension of paedophilia to embrace sex with ‘minors’ (a ‘minor’ itself being an imported American concept), is a very recent phenomenon. Little more than 10 years ago, the most popular porn franchise in Europe was ‘channel seventeen’ – hardcore pornographic videos featuring 16 and 17 year old Dutch girls (now of course, illegal even to view due to American/’child protection’ group lobbying). The most popular British newspaper, the ‘Sun’, reached it’s position (after almost folding in the 70’s) through publishing topless ‘page 3’ girls, often aged 16 or 17 (including the most famous of them – Samantha Fox). Equivalents in Denmark and Gemany, such as Das Bild, regularly published topless photos of 15 year olds. More risque tabloids, such as the British ‘Sunday Sport’ often held competitions for its readers to have sex with 16 year old pornstars. In fact, it would often count down the days until one of their glamour models reached her 16th birthday, titilating readers with revealing bikini shots, until it could legally show her topless. The market does not lie.
In Japan, which until the last few years had absolutely no taboos whatsoever on teenage sex, it was taken for granted that teenage girls were most attractive (and virtually all porn and erotica involved teenage girls). Train stations would have used schoolgirl panty vending machines. In Japan the school uniform is a symbol of male desire, just as the mini-skirt is in America. Are Japanese men simply perverted? Or is a more likely explanation that Japan, until the last few years, was free from anglo-saxon christian puritism, as well as sexual trade union feminism? (not to mention being free from America’s teen pregnancy rates, teen obesity levels, youth violence etc. But that’s another article….)
Statistical reasons relating to accepted criteria such as youthful skin, hip/waist measurements etc. Here it would be most helpful if anybody could provide a link to any relevant charts/tables.
Removing mis-leading modern day factors : the average woman of today has a greater variety of make-up, hair styling methods, and clothes to choose from than even Cleopatra would have had access too. And the application of all of these articifial enhancements to a female’s looks are ‘skills’ that improve over time. These are major off-setting factors, but remember, we are talking about raw physical desire. In the street, I see many sexually attractive 30 year olds. In the swimming baths, without hair styling, make-up, jewellery, or expensive clothes, I rarely see any attractive woman over 22.
Feminism increases ‘paedophilia’ : Rising testosterone levels, as well as greater obesity, mean that the feminine body found in many 20 year olds of only 50 years ago, would probably be found more often in 14,15 or 16 year olds of today.
Restoring dignity to secular reasoning, the beautiful YouTube atheist ZOMGitsCriss picks apart arguments for the criminalization of paying for sex. This girl seems on a single-minded mission to convince humanist manginas that it’s not heresy after all to question the tenets of their feminist mother goddess faith.
Dame Joan said the freedom granted by the introduction of the Pill had been corrupted, resulting in the sexualisation of young girls and the prevalence of pornography.
In the 1960s, Dame Joan was a vocal opponent of Mrs Whitehouse, whose moral crusade against sex and violence in broadcasting led her to found the Clean Up Television campaign.
The free sexual market is great when you’re young and attractive and you can choose from whichever number of alpha males to screw. When you’re 50 and frumpy, and can no longer compete with nubile girls, suddenly you realise it all had ‘unintended consequences’.
Here’s a video that would cheer Joan up and remind her that things were once far worse for the older British woman – even as little as a decade ago. This clip, from the 90’s BBC Comedy ‘The Detectives’ was obviously made a couple of years before the men of Merry Old England succumbed overnight to the fantasies of middle-aged American feminists and ultra-conservative trainspotters, becoming only the second people in the history of the human race to believe that admiring the charms of young womanhood was something as perverse as the attraction to toddlers.
I do hope the men’s rights movement isn’t becoming infested with trainspotters…