The ‘Sexual Economy of Abundance’ and the ‘Jay Hammers Delusion’

The following is a short clip highlighting the amazing realism and beauty of the latest sex dolls from Japan. Orient Industries are the world’s leading manufacturers of realistic sex dolls. With the advent of 3D scanning and 3D printing, as well as advances in artificial skin tech, these dolls will continue to become ever more life-like and viable substitutes for real women.

The dolls could also be controlled over the internet for ‘virtual sex’ (or ‘telepresence sex’). Eventually, you will be able to print out these at home, choosing from a near infinity of designs, including any female on Earth who has more than a couple of pictures of herself (at 2 or 3 different angles) online. There will be applications written that can quickly analyse your biometric responses to a variety of female faces and bodies in order to construct your ‘ideal woman’, ready for you to download and print out in your bedroom as an incredibly realistic sex doll that no female on Earth could compare with.

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Angry Harry writes of the day when men will have a surplus of perfect women to choose from, and notes that this will simply be the end point of the trend that has begun with the ubiquity of online images of female flesh a mere mouse click away. I think Angry Harry is right, and I can see the day when there is a sexual ‘economy of abundance’ for all men. In fact, the 80’s comedy film ‘Weird Science‘, in which a pair of horny teenage boys create the perfect sex object in their home laboratory, might eventually not seem so very far-fetched.

And this is why those traditionalists who appear to long for the day when men are happy to settle down with a sweet young woman, and then be forced by moral (if not legal) norms to stick with her exclusively for her entire aging life*, are believing in dangerous fantasies – and probably self-decietful ones at that. Likely as deceitful as the manosphere PUAs who claim they are hate fucking their way around the world in order to ‘defy feminism’ and to restore traditional morality, when they could far more easily support traditionalism by simply moving permanently to Russia and marrying a faithful local woman in a non-feminist society that appears very much to be trying to maintain or restore traditional sexual norms.

Henceforth, I will call this fantasy, genuine or deceitful, the ‘Jay Hammers Delusion‘. Jay Hammers, the author of the excellent and infamous ‘Age of Consent is Misandry‘, commented here quite recently (after his mental breakdown) expressing his conviction that in 50 years time, while ‘sluts’ are being ‘righteously’ stoned to death in order to preserve family values, men are going to be legally free to download as much holographic tactile porn and ultra-realistic sex dolls as they want. Although, of course, most men won’t want to, fortunately enough, because like Jay and all the other PUAs and even MGTOWs, all they really want is a nice faithful non-slutty woman to marry and raise children with.

Good luck with that Jay, and to all the other MRAs who share your delusion.

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*Presumably such traditionalists will be turning down the radical life extension therapy that will be widely available in as little as 10 or 20 years time, unless they believe in sharing the same bed for 1,000 years.
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The futurist and ‘Dark Enlightenment’ blogger Michael Anissimov recently pointed out the obvious deciet involved in the manosphere believing in pua AND traditional sexual values :

http://avengingredhand.wordpress.com/tag/michael-anissimov/

Roosh responded with :

http://www.rooshv.com/the-contradiction-of-pursuing-casual-sex-while-advocating-for-traditional-values

See also :

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2011/02/sex_is_cheap.html

39 thoughts on “The ‘Sexual Economy of Abundance’ and the ‘Jay Hammers Delusion’”

  1. Amazing hand movements, these sex dolls.

    Yes, these traditional MRA are amazing in their conservative family oriented values. But, I have to admit, these values worked to maintain culture and civilization, for centuries. But, on the other hand, the upper class was not really bound by these values.

    Really old fashioned values would be

    marrying a woman and having kids.

    After a few years getting additional women and having kids, maintaining the older ones to keep the house and the kitchen, and to keep the newer wives in line

    Additionally having some sluts and whores for entertainment, or having illegitimate children with the maid an other lower women. Having enough means to even support these “bastard” children so they survive, though in lesser luxury. The maids would also be intelligent enough to get a kid from a rich man then to pick a useless poverty stricken loser. Of course, she could also have picked a simple decent family man as a husband.

    And this is how eugenics worked and increased IQ and other positive qualities in the population. Only very capable men could afford this and had many offspring. The others had none.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-social-darwinism-made-modern-china-248/

  2. I think Angry Harry is right, and I can see the day when there is a sexual ‘economy of abundance’ for all men.

    Science and technology are already advanced enough to make such abundance possible, even without the help of sexbots. AOCs could be adapted to maximize the female supply instead of reducing it. Older women – as the case may be rejuvenated by plastic surgery – could be made to behave more like men though the use of the ALREADY EXISTING aphrodisiac molecules (MDMA, cocaine, LSD, etc.). In fact the consensual supply of doable pussy could be multiplied tenfold from its present levels if Society wanted it to be. It won’t though, why? Because the sexploitation of men is necessary for women to go through life without having to work for their keep. Women are not going to give that up for the sake of turning the planet into a playing ground for men.

    What about technological progress then? Surely that can’t be stopped. Well, not altogether, but some technologies can alas be stopped or shelved (eg the male pill). Why haven’t condoms been developed (eg from piezoelectric materials) that enhance male sensation rather than kill it? Remember, the reason we have technology at all is because the male of the species started inventing tools to make life easier for women. For women, not for men! Whatever technology was inspired by men went into making men’s life shorter (building weapons!). On the whole technology has improved women’s lives 1000% while it can be said to have done little to improve men’s lives seeing as it has required so many new hazardous MALE jobs. The benefits of technology are for women, not for men. In order for technology to be diverted to satisfy men’s needs, a revolution is needed and it is not a technological one.

  3. But, I have to admit, these values worked to maintain culture and civilization, for centuries.

    They did, but I wanted to get across two key points in this article :

    1/ A society promoting traditional family values for all in the future will be pissing into the wind unless it’s backed by brutal legislation and co-ercion – that would likely make even the present feminist war on male sexuality look like a cake walk. So I’m not sure how this is compatible with men’s rights, or at least our interpretation of men’s rights and criticism of feminism for legislating against male sexual freedom. BTW, male disposability has always been essential to civilisation, but I’m not sure if arguing for male disposability has anything to do with men’s rights or anti-feminism. Likewise with family values.

    2/ Most of the manosphere who are claiming to wish for a restoration of traditional values show absolutely no inclination to practice what they preach. Yes, they wish to put all the blame on ‘sluts’ (and make the mistake of blaming feminism for ‘sluts’), but it’s an act of transparent self-deceit. Why can’t they just accept that they, as men, would like to have lots of sex, and lots of outlets for their sexual urges, rather than pretending that if sluts were punished then they would be happy to marry and be faithful? Look at the zeal with which half the manosphere pursue GAME, when it is common knowledge that even some of the world’s best pick up artists have to approach 100 women to get at best 2 or 3 lays? Look at how easily the MGTOW community appear to do without women, only possible because they have porn on tap online. Do they really think they will prefer marriage when sex bots and virtual sex etc are a mouse click away, no matter how reformed and ‘non-slutty’ women might become in a post-feminist world?

    I would suggest that the male propensity to want sex from women, and yet at the same time to hate as ‘sluts’ those women who give them what they want, is closely related to paedocrisy. It’s also I think clearly mal-adaptive in the modern world.

    I also don’t buy the idea that it’s ‘natural’ for men to want to live their entire lives faithful to one woman. If that was the case, I doubt very much we would have had need of Christianity for the last 2,000 years (or Islam), which is basically the moral legitimization of female sexual mating requirements (which, admittedly, have largely in the past co-incided with the needs of society).

    Although I agree that family values were necessary for most of human history, the world has changed, and its going to soon change even more radically. For example, as you know, the reason why sex before marriage was always taboo (for most) was because of the danger of young women left carrying a baby with no father to stick around and provide and protect, as well as uncertainty over paternity for husbands. The Pill, condoms, and abortion, SHOULD largely make that irrelevant, as should dna paternity testing. A male pill, likely will solve all these problems.

    Radical life-extension, artificial intelligence and robotics, will mean that societies wil no longer need to reproduce to such an extent in order to compete with other societies. In such a world, it will make far more sense to leave child rearing to the likely minority of people who wish to have families.

    Furthermore, readers of this blog should at least take seriously the possiblity that the attempt to enforce family values in a changed world is actually more damaging than sexual liberalism – namely, in the consequence of paedohysteria, which weakens all manner of social structures including the family.

    Lastly, as mentioned above, manosphere traditionalism tends to mistake feminism as the cause of the sexual revolution when in fact it was an attempt to play catch up and is now almost wholly an attempt to kill the sexual revolution and even to erase it from history (as in Operation Yewtree).

  4. Even a blue-pill evolutionary psychologist like David Buss wrote that the normal life-span of a relationship between a man and a woman is about 5 years (hence the “7-year itch”). That’s because 5 years is what it took for a couple to raise a child in the EEA (Environment of Evolutionary Adaptiveness).

    Besides, variety is a virtue in about every field, ranging from food to the arts. Through what conspiracy is staying with the same old all your life a virtue when it comes to sex?

    I remember a trad MRA saying about a sex worker/stripper “her place is at home with her children”. Such a statement implies not only that every woman must bear children to this overcrowded Planet, but also that men must work and pay taxes to compensate her for having a cushy life at home. How more pro-women can you get? Of course the trad MRA in question pictured the beautiful stripper in HIS home taking care of HIS children, right? In reality a woman like this in a traditional Society would be more likely to be the umpteenth wife (or mistress) of a wealthy (serial) polygamist. It didn’t occur to said trad MRA that for men’s sake it is better for such a woman to make herself available to many men by selling sex.

  5. Speaking of prostitution lol, here is something I saw today upon waking up. Although there are some manginas sucking up in the comments, there are also guys standing up and saying it is not the government’s right to see what goes on behind people’s doors, much less send a letter to humiliate them.

    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/129969-one-citys-simple-answer-horny-men-looking-prostitutes-downright-clever/

    I also just laughed and laughed at old women getting upset and saying this is a good thing to keep men in line. Oh and one of the best comments was some guy saying something about prostitutes being “young sexy girls” which was followed by another guy replying “You must not know much about prostitution”. LOL

    I am sure if I looked longer in the comments I would find somebody talking about human trafficking and how all these girls are forced into this kind of life. Then without further delay they would start in on the “there are so many under age prostitutes out there” motif.

    On a bit of a high note though, I am starting to live stream my gaming. I have gained 100 followers in the past few weeks and it looks to be a steady climb. The reason I say this is a high note, is because although I won’t be linking to this site (I am sure the terms and service agreement of this site would ban me if I did), at any opportune time I will bring up these fallacies that people fall into. Whether it is the made up abuse industry, or the fact that people like Yulia are super attractive. Though at the end of the day, it will be my attitude/reaction that will affect my audience the most. If somebody in chat brings up some big story such as James Franco I will just scoff and tell them why that is so pathetic to be upset about.

  6. This is alright as far as it goes, but in the end, solves nothing, resolves nothing. We cannot return to traditional morality, but the future ought to be about inheriting and surpassing our past, which would entail a new humanism and a new perspective on sexuality. These dolls trap men in the past, and offer no human response and no human audience, both needed by male sexuality. We are supposed to grow new young women who give freely and elbow out the bitter hags. This is just the old porn dressed up in hi-tech gear.

  7. Antifeminist & HS:
    I’m a bit split on this issue. I tend to agree with Jack and Smkovalinsky that as high-tech porn, the sexbot revolution has potential. I’m not sure though that the benefits for society for replacing women altogether would work in the long run. Basically what we’d be talking about is a future society without a gender polarity (which is what radical femihags advocate, albeit without the male gender). I’m not certain whether or not that would make men better.

    We’ve seen what happened to Anglosphere women when they started considering men expendable: they’ve degenerated to the point of being socially useless, if not outright a social burden. Men, because of differing psychology, would more likely channel their libido into advancing technologically at a hyper-evolutionary speed: but the images of that future that come to my mind are the Sontarans or the Cybermen from the ‘Doctor Who’ series.

    It seems that a Gender Polarity is to some degree necessary for human beings (and by extension) human civilization to flourish at a normal pace. Now the idea mentioned in the article about life-extension: that seems to have more potential since it could eliminate sexual jealousy by giving women a proactive solution to it.

  8. “Radical life-extension, artificial intelligence and robotics, will mean that societies wil no longer need to reproduce to such an extent in order to compete with other societies. In such a world, it will make far more sense to leave child rearing to the likely minority of people who wish to have families.”

    We could use the example of late 20th century Japan here.

    10 or 15 years ago, virtually all porn was legal in Japan – and there was lots of it! (of course, with that strange pixellated pussy rule that is a left over of the American occupation). I’ve read that flyers were routinely put through letterboxes from porn companies advertising their latest hardcore videos featuring girls as young as 13 (this being the minimum age at the time). Japan was (and still is) the home to all manner of fetishes and extreme sex acts (such as bukakke). The practice of middle-aged men having schoolgirl mistressses was near universal. Business men returning home from a stressful day could pick up a pair of used 12 year old girl’s panties from vending machines at the train station. Even today, there are probably more sex toys bought by Japanese men than there are by American and British women combined.

    Yet Japan was by far the most cohesive society in the developed world – the lowest teen pregnancy rate by far, the lowest rates of adolescent delinquency, drug problems, crime rates, divorces et etc

    Why? Because only those men who really wanted children, married and raised families, rather than all the desperate beta males thinking that marriage is the only way to have any sexual outlet. They just fapped off to manga tenticle porn with a Tenga Egg or a pair of schoolgirl’s used panties.

    There was no paedohysteria and there was no feminist shaming of male sexuality.

    Now of course there is a real and obvious problem in Japan with the birth rate and the aging population, and it’s down to feminism as much as men wishing to avoid marriage, and it has led to economic problems for Japan, but these problems will not be problems in 50 or 100 years (and already Japan leads the way in robotics, rejuvenation technology, life expectency..)

    In the modern world, with porn on tap etc, family values are better promoted by not trying to force those values on everybody. It is the attempt to do so that is causing problems (and feminists are primarily the ones doing it, at least the side that involves restricting the sexual behaviour of men, and increasingly, that of young women and girls).

  9. There is something men don’t seem to realise. While we’re talking about what a hypothetical future with plenty of sex for men could look like, women are already miles ahead in making sexual intercourse obsolete. Sperm donation is thriving all over the world, including in countries where it is illegal, complete with yahoo groups, dedicated websites and facebook accounts. The donors are donating for free most of the time and of course are not getting any sex. How more of a mangina can one get? A single donor can render sex unnecessary for hundreds (thousands?) of man-haters who would otherwise have needed a man. Manginas, you see, apparently get a kick out of wanking in a toilet to hand over their beta and genetically flawed sperms to some lesbian couple. Reproduction, the last remaining bastion of sexual intercourse, is being taken away from men with the latter’s’ full consent and abject participation. One donor transmitted his genetic defect to 500 offspring. He will not pay 500x alimony though because he’s probably broke to start with. So you and me will have to raise the genetic monsters with our tax dollars. It makes me puke!

  10. @HS – so how do they square this with their belief that 17 year old boys are rape victims if they bang the hell out of an older woman?

  11. I think AVM is doing amazing work. Getting a bunch of top people like Erin Pizzey and Warren Farrell as contributors.

    And then they are totally off with the sex hysteria. I thank to you, @antifeminist that you point this out so clearly, as I was not aware of the depth and relevance of how damaging this is.

    And note that some of the AVM contributors are quite close to our opinions, like Lucian Valsan (?). And the article I cited was quite positive. Yes, the 17 year old boy being raped by the 23 year old cheer leading coach is crazy. Again, I appreciate you citing Eivind Berge who formulates this with a radical fervor, much better then I could say it.

    I often find myself in agreement with strange bedfellows like Pat Buchanan and Breitbart, only to be shocked at lots of their other beliefs which are quite remote from what I consider correct.

    As my focus is not so single minded as yours, I must appreciate the good work of AVM and Pat Buchanan on some issues, even though Pat Buchanan would kick me out even faster then Paul Elam did.

    What to do?

  12. As my focus is not so single minded as yours, I must appreciate the good work of AVM and Pat Buchanan on some issues, even though Pat Buchanan would kick me out even faster then Paul Elam did

    Ahhh yes, I forget – like Inclined Paedocrite, you think that a looming sexual holocaust is only a small fraction of men’s rights, probably not even close to even being an important issue.

    BTW, you’re not the same Human-Stupidity are you, who provoked AVfM into 100% opposition to our cause by spamming the comments section there with discussion of child sex?

  13. @theantifeminist

    BTW, you’re not the same Human-Stupidity are you, who provoked AVfM into 100% opposition to our cause by spamming the comments section there with discussion of child sex?

    Yes it is and frankly I’m also fed-up with him.
    I know this is your site, your rules and your choice, but when are you going to ban him?
    I honestly have no idea what this guy supports or who he doesn’t anymore, nor what his principles are. If he even has any at all. He doesn’t seem to possess any semblance of moral fibre, or respect for his fellows.

    BTW I stopped reading his blog, never mind commenting there at least 4 moths ago. I first encountered his blog about 2 or 3 years ago and really admired it AND him.
    What’s got into him? He seems to have wandered off on a tangent all on his own…

  14. I know this is your site, your rules and your choice, but when are you going to ban him?

    I honestly find it difficult to pull the trigger and ban him, however much he deserves it – we’ve had so much of a shared history in the MRM that it almost feels like cutting off a conjoined (aspie) twin.

  15. It is great you have this single minded focus.

    At least you don’t alienate everyone, as I do. You only have one unpopular issue.

    But men get screwed on all fronts. From boy’s kindergarten and elementary school, to playing doctor, to loss of basic human rights of due process in all sex, rape, and underage abuse issues. To taxes, University quotas, job quotas. To lack of reproductive rights, child support, alimony.

    @antifeminist, I believe we all agree on these issues don’t we? Then we also agree with AVM on these issues. Yes, on one or on a few issues we differ.

    And then is the sexual trade Union, with all restrictions on sex, prostitution, age of consent, porn, photography, etc which you focus on. Great issues. And you are almost alone with this issue. Great work! Nothing wrong with a single minded focus.

    Don’t you think the STU is related to the other issues? child support, alimony, prohibition of DNA testing, feminisation of schools, always believing women’s accusations, ….. … It seems very closely connected.

    @Alan Vaughn, I support the truth, the scientific truth, abhor speech codes and scientific censorship. A very clear principle. And yes, I have a compulsion to speak the truth even if it is unwise, politically incorrect, and politically damaging.

    Is this immoral? Just because lots of truths are so extremely politically incorrect, they are considered immoral?

    Political correctness to me seems the center piece. It connects all the issues. And most people are totally brainwashed and indoctrinated by PC.

    Political correctness has many facets, many issues, many of taboos and lies.

    I feel compelled to correct any blatant un-truth I find; though mentioning Eugenics, immigration, race-crime-iq issues will alienate most MRA’s. And our opinions about the STU alienate most MRA’s and most HBD race realists.

    And my opinions about CP and child sexuality alienate everyone. And they are not really my opinions, facts, data, science obliged me to change my opinions to where I am now. These topics are totally taboo, though in the 1970’s a sizable minority of the German population and citizens, and scientists, thought like me.

    Philippe Rushton was not born a “racist”. He was indoctrinated with the official doctrine. The data changed his mind. Similarly, most of the opinions I have today were imposed upon me by data, by scientific facts and made me change the opinions I was taught.

  16. Don’t you think the STU is related to the other issues? child support, alimony, prohibition of DNA testing, feminisation of schools, always believing women’s accusations, ….. … It seems very closely connected.

    Yes, what makes you think otherwise? I’ve mentioned all of these things. Are you saying I’ve never discussed ‘always believing women’s accusations’?????
    I don’t discuss child custody much because why should I when there are dozens of men’s rights sites that have that as their actual focus, but never mention our concerns? (and actually, one of my most viewed viral posts is an article on the Father’s for Justice advertising campaign).

    It’s the way you tactlessly express it HS. You appear to be saying that yours is more of a men’s rights site than mine. Until recently all your site consisted in was discussion of child porn and (real) paedophilia, interspersed with claims to the scientificly proven inferiority of black people.

    I’ve never, ever denied that AVfM does great work. That’s why I was upset with you when you needlessly provoked Paul Elam with your child porn spam comments. And that’s why I was even more upset when, having taken your side 100% by declaring an ‘age of consent week’ here, you then left a comment saying that you don’t actually want the age of consent lowered after all, but you ‘wouldn’t argue with us’ here if WE did. Actually, you’ve made it abundantly clear before and since then that you think the age of consent should be scrapped alltogether and that sex with toddlers is ‘harmless’.

  17. Human-Stupiity wrote :

    I think AVM is doing amazing work. Getting a bunch of top people like Erin Pizzey and Warren Farrell as contributors.

    Why do you think it is ‘amazing’ that a ‘men’s (human) rights’ website, that collects allegedly $100k a year in donations, and that validates and even fully supports the feminist child abuse industry, is hoovering up all the men’s rights resources and figures in the world?

    I call it tragic.

    Will you be ‘amazed’ with Paul Elam in 20 years time, when you’re being slowly skinned alive in your Brazillian cell for being caught on cctv looking ‘sexually’ at a 20 year old ‘child’ in the street, that he hijacked and took away the only possible chance of avoiding your situation and a sexual holocaust that condemns possibly millions of other men around the world to suffer a similar fate?

  18. Go check out Human-Stupidity’s site right now. He is indeed publishing all the comments approving of the guy being raped in prison.

  19. http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/bjj-instructor-raped-20-men-prison-after-rape-murder-1-year-old-child-2726459/

    Also note that Human-Stupidity didn’t even stress the fact that the man had violently raped, beaten, AND killed his son. Of course, nobody deserves what happened to him in prison and the inmates who did it to him are savages, but if you add Human-Stupidity’s defence of sex with toddlers as ‘harmless’, as well as persistant justification and promotion of vigilantism and mob justice on his site, most casual observers would come away from Stupidity’s site rather confused.

  20. @antifeminist
    Wait what? Human stupidity endorses pedophilia? The real kind? That’s disgusting. This bullshit must not be tolerated?

  21. @theantifeminist

    Go check out Human-Stupidity’s site right now. He is indeed publishing all the comments approving of the guy being raped in prison.

    Nope, I’ll trust your word on it – he is doing just that for sure, which is exactly the kind of thing I was alluding in this recent comment.

  22. “the man had violently raped, beaten, AND killed his son.”

    Of course the world media have stressed the rape of the toddler – which is supposed to justify the rape of the culprit in prison and fuel the “pedophile threat”.
    The articles in portuguese (links on HS’s site) confirm the beating (to death) but not the rape.

  23. Alan:
    The comments left at HS’ site are disturbing. If the man was guilty of these crimes, he should be tried and hanged. I noticed that several comments, like those of the notorious troll Clarence, were too busy applauding the mob violence and vigilantism of a bunch of prison thugs, who should probably have been hanged themselves a long time ago.

    The problem I see with those comments is that there is no concern for due process. Maybe a lot of people don’t agree with me that the death penalty should have been imposed; so be it, but regardless a court verdict is always preferable to mob action like this. This is the same mentality that causing American (and some British) government officials to wink at policies like ‘rendition’ where people are tortured—and even killed on foreign soil—with no concern for legal formalities.

  24. I haven’t read the entire story regarding this man (don’t really want to) but by the sound of it he had a mental breakdown.

    He was a Brazillian jui-jitsu competitor and instructor, and in my experience, thugs are very rare amongst those who reach a certain level in the martial arts. It’s just incompatible with the nature of the self-control and respect needed in rolling around and sparring constantly with other men, who you could easily injure, or who could easily injure you.

    I’m not making excuses for the guy because obviously he needs locking up for the rest of his life to protect the public.

    The problem with Stupidity publishing these comments is that its in the context of himself stupidily promoting vigilantism and mob justice on his site, without having the common sense to realise that he himself is probably one of the very first people who would get torn to pieces by an unleashed mob.

    Furthermore, the fact that HS is a self-labelled ‘hebephile’ fighting for ‘hebephile rights’. I wonder if he is aware that a ‘gay rights’ website would never consistantly allow dozens of commentators to call for gay people to be tortured slowly to death? And that this is why there is more chance of cats rising up and overthrowing human society in the next 20 years than there is of an aspie ‘hebephile’ revolution that will allow Human Stupidity to escape being tortured to death in a Brazilian prison cell one day as the legislative creep continues (even there).

  25. Maybe a lot of people don’t agree with me that the death penalty should have been imposed; so be it

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/death-penalty-study-4-percent-defendants-innocent

    The Guardian article says ‘..of 8,000 men and women who have been put to death’, lol. I wonder how many of those 8,000 were women, and I’m sure that the only rare cases in which women are given the death penalty is the truly most heineous crimes and where guilt is cast iron.

    In this Brazil rapist’s case, the man apparently admitted his guilt.

    However, I simply would not trust any government with the power to put to death its citizens.

    Never mind that the entire notion of free will is unscientific, philosophically unsound, and only really makes sense within a Christian belief framework.

  26. However, I simply would not trust any government with the power to put to death its citizens.

    I for one am in favour of “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”. Note that this is far from being synonymous with “the death penalty”. For example:

    If you kill somebody with a hammer, you get killed with a hammer (not in any other way).

    If you take illicit obscene pics of any human being, you get to be obscenely photographed by the same human being.

    If you sell drugs, you get sold drugs.

    The doctrine of “an eye for an eye” not only provides an awesome deterrent to horrendous crime, it makes punishing victimless crimes a logical impossibility.

  27. The doctrine of “an eye for an eye” not only provides an awesome deterrent to horrendous crime, it makes punishing victimless crimes a logical impossibility.

    It will also lead to men who have sex with 15 year old girls to be raped with broomsticks or such like, likely as the Brazilian guy was.

  28. @jack: this is a genius idea. An eye for an eye leads to ridiculous ineffective punishment for victimless crimes.

    Having sex with a cute teen, what is the punishment? Having to have sex with an old hag? or having sex again with the cute teen?

    @antifeminist, read my latest comments on the Brazilian rapist rape case. It seems that his girl friend claims he confessed the crime to her!! He did not confess to police. It all looks quite strange indeed. And the boy’s anal fissures could stem from, hold your breath, constipation.

    Maybe the kid just fell, or worse, the mother injured it. It is very strange that the raped alleged rapist spent the entire night with the dying boy and the girl friend/wife in the hospital.

    Maybe it all was a false accusation. A very splendid revenge by a woman.

    Some crime or terrible mistake certainly happened, because we have an injured child that died.

  29. @jack: this is a genius idea. An eye for an eye leads to ridiculous ineffective punishment for victimless crimes.

    Having sex with a cute teen, what is the punishment? Having to have sex with an old hag? or having sex again with the cute teen?

    Are you guys actually being serious about this?

    @Jack – when Human-Stupidity says something is a ‘genius idea’, it probably means that that something is not a realistic strategical campaigning goal.

    Having sex with a cute teen, what is the punishment? Having to have sex with an old hag? or having sex again with the cute teen?

    No, under any conceivable ‘eye for an eye’ medieval system, it would be having a sharp instrument repeatedly thrust up your anus.

  30. I can see this is a thought experiment having some use as a means of seeing whether a crime really has a victim or not, which I assume is how Jack intends it, but even here it has problems.

    For example, it really is impossible to apply to ‘sex with a cute (underage) teen’. Feminists have convinced society that this isn’t a victimless crime, and that a teen now matter how willing cannot consent to sex with an older man. I’m sorry, but proposing a punishment of ‘having sex again with the cute teen’, in order to demonstrate the victimless nature of the crime, just isn’t going to convince anyone.

  31. @Human-Stupiidty – Yes, I already have it in my blogroll in the sidebar.

    “”I’ve met lots of whores in Latin America – some desperately poor with kids, some living luxuriously and independent. Regardless which there are more of, 100% of non-prostitute women would condemn the business anyway.

    Why? It spoils their game. Yes, sometimes women have sex just because they want it. But in the long run, especially with a recurring partner, it always ends up with the woman trying to get something out of the man – marriage, a house, child support, etc. It involves seduction and long-term manipulation. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for settling down and monogamy. But the way human sexuality is designed, it’s in the woman’s reproductive interest to convince the man not to have sex with other women (and possibly having kids, spreading his resources thin), in favor of committing to and supporting only her and her kids. Those women who seduced their men into committing and supporting them had children (males included) who survived at a higher rate, so we’ve evolved this way.”

    Shame that yet another anti-feminist who understands the sexual trade union is nethertheless a traditionalist who wants men to be co-erced into satisfying women’s chimpanzee mating needs (I guess it’s o.k. as long as its a traditionalist (‘non-feminist’) state doing the co-ercing rather than women/feminists).

  32. I prefer to see women as not caring jackshit about children, but rather using them to secure themselves a livelihood beyond their reproductive years. After all, there’s no proof women really care about even their own children, although they behave like they did. Women have by now amply demonstrated they don’t care about the man they’re having children with, so why take it for granted that children is more to them than just a means to an end?

  33. Another article on the Brazilian alleged child rapist. It makes it clear that the case hasn’t even come to trial yet, that he claims the child fell, and that the only evidence that he raped the child is an anal fissure which could have been caused by constipation.

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/4/30/5667588/tito-ortiz-discusses-ufc-revisionist-history-jon-jones-dana-white-cris-cyborg

    Compare the readers comments to the ones published at Human-Stupidity.com

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