Jay Hammers Classic : ‘The Age of Consent is Misandry’

*This originally appeared in the now defunct blog of 'Jay Hammers'.  It is notable for being one of the very few extended (and contemporary) anti-feminist attacks on the feminist age of consent.  In fact, Jay Hammers was more or less excluded from the 'Men's Rights Movement' soon after publishing it.  The snappy title is perhaps a little clumsy, in that it allowed opponents to claim that Jay was arguing for the abolishing of the age of consent alltogether, when it seems quite clear from reading the article that he is attacking the feminist age of consent of 16 (in American terms - feminist statutory rape laws), or at least an age of consent based upon an arbitary age (rather than the sexual maturity of the individual girl).

Note also that Jay Hammers abandoned his blog, and his Jay Hammers persona, after Paul Elam made a video attacking him.  He reappeared sometime later in a new and much more radical guise, becoming something of an extreme parody of his former quite reasonable self, even to the point of advocating that 15 year old girls caught having sex with older men be stoned to death (with no offence committed by the man).

The Age of Consent is Misandry (Jay Hammers)

The arbitrary age of consent is not about protecting women/girls. It is about valuing females and their virtue over males and their freedom. The intent of the laws is to stop older men from having sex with younger women and that is how it is enforced. It was never intended to stop younger men from having sex with older women. This is only possible in a society that values females over males, the same society that has so many other examples of legalized discrimination based on sex as long as that sex is male – violence laws such as VAWA, domestic violence laws, family court, accusations of sexual assault & harassment, all criminal sentencing, military conscription, circumcision, etc. We live in a society where misandry runs rampant, unchecked, and enforced by the law.

Age of consent laws are designed to punish beta males. A beta male in his 20s, unsuccessful with women his own age who are infused with a sense of feminist entitlement and deride all but the top alpha males who take interest in them, who seeks companionship with a younger, sexually mature female who desires him, should not go to prison for acting on that which is normal male sexuality. A society that criminalizes this is a society that values females over males and treats women as if they are children.

If we are to treat women as children then we should be consistent. Young women who have sex with older men are as much victims as women who have sex with a pick-up artist after meeting at a club. In both cases, feminists are angry because the woman has been “fooled” into having sex with a less than ideal mate in terms of value. In the first case, the male appears to be of higher value than he really is because he is older and more experienced. In the second case, the male appears to be of higher value than he really is because he has learned the elements of attraction. In both cases, women are presumed (by feminists) to have no responsibility for their own actions and to be little more than children, than animals who are guided only by instinct.

This is what makes feminists angry and this is why age of consent exists still today, because it is assumed women are not mentally mature enough to give consent AND because older women want to limit men’s options to increase their own value in the sexual marketplace. Older women, however, are generally not of a much higher intelligence level than teenage girls. The big difference between the two is that older women are less attractive and that is what makes them so damn angry.

The reason feminists paint all men as perverts, as rapists, is to reinforce the notion that men who seek sex with women, be they pick-up artists or men interested in young women, are mentally ill, when in fact they are simply expressing completely normal male sexuality. This allows feminists to paint women as victims and men as perpetrators. A beta male in his 20s in a relationship with a teenage girl is, far more often than not, simply enjoying the companionship, both physical and emotional. Feminists, however, would have us believe that a college kid computer nerd who dates a teenager is doing it with some evil intentions. This is a lie. A large number of sex offenders these days are simply men who were punished for normal sexuality or in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong girl. Age of consent laws do not stop the real rapists and molestors; instead they put plenty of good men in prison.

Females generally do not significantly mature mentally past puberty so it should always be illegal for any woman to have sex or it should never be illegal for any woman to have sex. There is no arbitrary age where females suddenly become self-aware, realizing the consequences of their actions, and stop seeking out alpha males. Thus there must not be an arbitrary age of consent for sex. There is no arbitrary age where males suddenly stop seeking out attractive, fertile females. Thus there must not be an arbitrary age RANGE of consent for sex either.

If anything, it should be illegal for women to have sex with men until men have been educated on the truths of women, Marriage 2.0, Game, feminism, and men’s rights. If any woman were to seek out sexual audience with a man who has not received his golden certificate showing he has completed his training and has had the snip done to ensure he is not cuckolded, then she should be confined to a prison term of no less than 20 years, with weekly forced anal and vaginal rape. This makes as much sense as requiring men to professionally examine a woman’s ID to verify her age and that the ID is not forged, and to have documented video evidence of sex with her to avoid a false rape claim, to ensure he is not sent to pound-me-in-the-ass prison arbitrarily.

31 thoughts on “Jay Hammers Classic : ‘The Age of Consent is Misandry’

  1. Deano

    A 15 year old girl who attempts to entice a 19 year old man into having sex with her should be charged with commissioning a crime. After all, that is exactly what she is doing.

  2. theantifeminist

    Post author

    A 15 year old girl who attempts to entice a 19 year old man into having sex with her should be charged with commissioning a crime. After all, that is exactly what she is doing.

    I certainly agree in cases where she lies about her age to appear legal. In fact, I’ll add it to the manifesto later.

  3. Eric

    A related thought which has occurred to me lately: it looks like part of the STU program relating to the AOC also has do with education. I’ve noticed that girls 12-16 often have a normal, healthy sexual interest in more mature males. But around their late teens-mid 20s, their attitudes towards men completely sours and they spend those years chasing thugs, experimenting with lesbianism, or ignoring men altogether until their mid-30s. It seems that their sexuality atrophies during this period.

    What changed? Between 16-24, women are forced into the very feminist atmosphere of high school and college!

    This, to me, explains a paradox I’ve always struggled with. Why do women seem inclined to ignore (responsible) men in their prime years—when it’s obvious from their early years that they are inclined to do just the opposite? The answer has become clear—the feminists also want a high AOC so that they will have time to indoctrinate the girls into feminist misandry.

    Of course, high AOCs serve the double-purpose of eliminating competition for the aging femihags; but disinformation also serves to discourage the younger females.

  4. Alan Vaughn

    The answer has become clear—the feminists also want a high AOC so that they will have time to indoctrinate the girls into feminist misandry.

    Of course, high AOCs serve the double-purpose of eliminating competition for the aging femihags; but disinformation also serves to discourage the younger females.

    Very good points Eric – they leave no stone unturned and also kill two, or more birds with one. Their social engineering skills would even fool Hitler in the pure subtlety and stealth of it all. I wonder though is this all occurring on purpose – by design, with a huge ‘Master Plan’?
    Or, is it more ‘good luck than good management’, i.e. more of an evolutionary process, where a lot of things such as the example you’ve given, just occur by chance or as a ‘bonus’ resulting (unintentionally) from some other wicked scheme they invoked earlier?

    If they have actually planned it all, we really are heading for disaster…

  5. theantifeminist

    Post author

    A related thought which has occurred to me lately: it looks like part of the STU program relating to the AOC also has do with education. I’ve noticed that girls 12-16 often have a normal, healthy sexual interest in more mature males. But around their late teens-mid 20s, their attitudes towards men completely sours

    I was meaning to post somewhat related to this thought for a while Eric, and perhaps age of consent month is a good time to do it.

    Not so much about chasing thugs, but about how girls at the onset of puberty are far less likely to see their sexuality as something to be traded in for (including for the ‘protection’ of an alpha thug) than are older teenage girls.

    The title of the article will be ‘Female adolescence is the art of learning to be a whore’ (in the sense of ‘whore’ that I’ve used here before, and which should be the true meaning of the word – a woman who sees sex as something that defines her economic worth and that always has a transactional value for her).

  6. theantifeminist

    Post author

    I would rather see the law abolished than the girl charged with a crime.

    That’s very true Eric – but I guess this kind of law that Deano suggests would serve as an intermediary step, such as the tactic of demanding that female ‘sex offenders’ be punished as harshly as men. Including it on our manifesto would also highlight the evil of prosecuting men for having sex with a girl who lied about her age (as is presently what happens, at the demand of feminists).

  7. Including it on our manifesto would also highlight the evil of prosecuting men for having sex with a girl who lied about her age (as is presently what happens, at the demand of feminists).

    Interesting suggestion.

    Right now, a man even is a statutory rapist, if he checked the girl’s ID, and the ID was a valid ID, emitted for her by US authorities. Too bad, she deceived the state of Nevada using her older cousin’s birth certificate. Off to jail (not her, but the man that was cheated).

    He is a child rapist. Too bad, he did not know he was a rapist. She duped him into raping her, against his will.

    Feminism brings us amazing logical inconsistencies.

    But it just fits into the fact that women are never liable.

    Be it birth control lies (man pays), paternity fraud (poor cheated man pays month after month, year after year).

  8. Eric

    Antifeminist:
    That sounds an article worth reading. I’ve always seen it paradoxical that women are CLEARLY driven by normal sex drives when young, but devolve into apathy or counter-productive relationships, about the onset of their indoctrination into feminism.

    Speaking of these topics, Fraudtrelle exploded with rage today over Elam’s article on female ‘green’ hypocrisy. I forced myself to read some of the comments, and his groupies are all whining in unison about their scummy, deadbeat boyfriends/husbands who spend all their money on frivolities and don’t work!

    I’ve often said that every time one of these feminists open their mouths, they give birth to a new MRA! LOL

  9. Eric

    Alan:
    Whether or not it’s part of a master plan is another unsolved riddle. However, it certainly can’t be denied that feminism follows a clear ideological course, with revolutionary goals, and that very powerful and well-financed interests have backed it up. It does give the overall appearance of the Maoist Long March.

    When you compare the power that Hillary Clinton wields compared to earlier femihags like Eleanor Roosevelt, it’s very apparent that there’s a concerted effort of some kind. Feminism took over the Anglosphere with the speed of the Nazi Blitzkrieg; that didn’t happen by accident either.

  10. Alan Vaughn

    @Eric,
    I thought you’d say something like that… Unfortunately, I think along the exact same lines – it’s too perfect to be any sort of accident or good luck than good management plan. Considering its history and all of the scumbags involved, it could definitely be planned to every last little detail.

    If you study it from the time the suffragettes of Victorian England first started making themselves known, up to the present day, it makes even the Nazi Blitzkrieg look like something fairly small in terms of the time involved and the number of victims that resulted…
    Their current and very successful indoctrination methods are the most troublesome aspect of their stealthy agenda.

  11. jack

    I just wanted to point out I put out this article on reddit (/r/MensRights/) and predictably enough, it didn’t get past the 6-point stage.

  12. Alan Vaughn

    While this typical storm in a teacup may be slightly off topic, it should highlight what people who make up our society, prioritize most in life:
    This arsehole was sent to prison for a month for simply making fun of a handicapped child. Her mother (not the child herself) was offended enough to post a video recording of the ‘incident’ to her Facebook page and the usual ‘outrage’ erupted from there.

    The point is, all this ado over something that most people have to face at least once in their childhood’s – being teased. OK, sure it wasn’t a very nice thing to do, especially when this piece of shit also encouraged his son to ridicule the girl; but 29 days in prison??
    It wasn’t really anything until the girl’s mother posted the video on Facebook, so who really subjected the unfortunate child to the most public humiliation??

    Considering that they do absolutely NOTHING when paedohysterical and paedocritical, brainless ghouls post the names of SUSPECTED ‘paedophiles’ or other ‘perverts’ (and by doing NOTHING, they are all but endorsing and encouraging ‘paedophile’ persecution and vigilantism) on Facebook or similar social network sites, it’s nothing less than an indication of how sick and twisted our society has already become.

    Note the number of follow-up comments below the article too!

  13. Johnny

    You guys are missing another key to the puzzle here, that is rarely discussed. The fact is that sex with underage girls IS allowed in the Western world, but only under certain circumstances. An adult man can have sex with a 16 year old girl and sometimes even younger than that in the United States, as long as he gets her parents and court permission to marry her. Of course, that’s a very difficult process so the courtship stage of an older man and an adolescent girl is almost always going to be illegal, because most couples will have sex before marrying, and that’s if the older male can even meet an adolescent girl in the first place and get to the stage of getting court permission to marry her. So most of these instances are going to be “criminal” by default, due to how the whole system is designed.

    Also, what is the most annoying, and is something that most people do not address or admit, is the fact that there IS a group of males that are allowed to have intercourse with girls as young as 12-15 year old in America, and IT IS WRITTEN INTO THE LAW. This is, of course, other adolescent boys. Most states in America have the 3-4 year rule, so a 17 year old boy can legally have sex with a 13 year old girl, a 19 year old man can legally have sex with a 15 year old girl, etc.

    In Florida, you can have sex with a 16 or 17 year old girl as long as you are 24 or under, but if you’re 25, the AOC becomes 18. In Utah, you can have sex with a 16 or 17 year old girl as long as you are only 10 years older than her. So if you are 28 or older in Utah, the AOC is 18 for you. For men younger than that, the AOC is lower. So a 26 year old can have sex with a 16 year old girl, but a 27 year old can not and is therefore a rapist? How is that fair? How does that make sense? So basically, sexual age discrimination against older males is actually written into the laws, and no one ever admits this, no one cares, no one challenges it, and no one even talks about it!

    As someone in my late 20′s, I simply cannot accept the fact that there are teenage boys who are legally allowed to have sexual intercourse with an attractive, developed 14 year old girl, but if I would fall in love with the same girl and do the same thing, I would be committing a felony. I simply cannot accept this as a legitimate law, and yet society doesn’t seem bothered by this, and there is nothing I can do about it. I simply cannot reconcile this, and I won’t ever accept it.

  14. Eric

    Alan:
    Yes…and of course the femihags LOVE to encourage victimhood (except among their male victims). Even worse were the commenters who sounded like 29 days in the slammer wasn’t sufficient enough punishment for this jerk.

    I can’t help but believe that the Anglosphere is on the precipice of a paedohysterical pogrom that will make earlier witch-hunts look mild!

  15. Eric

    Johnny:
    It doesn’t get discussed as much here because most of the readers/commenters aren’t Americans like you or me. US law is so (intentionally) confusing and convoluted that trying to explain it to non-Americans is nearly impossible. Like you pointed out correctly, none of those laws you cited make any logical sense whatsover.

    Another factor too is that both the US Constitution and International Law are routinely ignored by American authorities. For example, in my home state (Washington) the AOC is 18. If I married a girl where the AOC was 15 and came back here, I could (and would) be charged with ‘child abuse’ even though the US Constitution specifically directs states to recognize and respect laws of other states. Also, you could be tried for going outside the country and having sex with a ‘minor’, based on the laws of your home state. This is completely illegal as well, since the Constitution specifies that individual states have no jurisdiction in foreign countries.

    I’ve also mentioned here before the attitude of the government at all levels towards vigilanteism. This is another huge problem since paedohysterical citizens are given license to terrorize people engaged in ‘appropriate relations’ without the slightest fear of reprisal.

  16. theantifeminist

    Post author

    While this typical storm in a teacup may be slightly off topic, it should highlight what people who make up our society, prioritize most in life:
    This arsehole was sent to prison for a month for simply making fun of a handicapped child. Her mother (not the child herself) was offended enough to post a video recording of the ‘incident’ to her Facebook page and the usual ‘outrage’ erupted from there.

    The point is, all this ado over something that most people have to face at least once in their childhood’s – being teased. OK, sure it wasn’t a very nice thing to do, especially when this piece of shit also encouraged his son to ridicule the girl; but 29 days in prison??

    @Alan Well, when you consider that in the USA the same man would have probably gotten 50 years and daily ass rape and beatings for taking a photo of the same girl nude (with her consent), then I’d say 29 days in prison (as a non-sex offender) for a culmination of bullying and threats (acording to the report) against a disabled little girl and her family, I’d say that yes I agree, it does show you what priorities American society has.

  17. Eric

    Here’s some good news for a change:

    The Associated Press reported today from Minneapolis:

    “A Minnesota football coach says he’s ‘thankful to be waking up from this nightmare’ after a judge dismissed child pornography charges against him.

    ‘Todd Hoffner, the head coach at University of Minnesota-Mankato, said Friday that he was looking forward to getting his life, job, and family back.

    ‘Prosecutors charged Hoffner after videos of his three children were found on his university-issued cellphone. He and his wife argued that the videos were innocent pictures of their three children doing a skit after a bath.

    ‘A judge agreed Friday, saying that she found no evidence that the videos amounted to pornography, and dismissed the charges.

    ‘The University said that Hoffner remains on leave pending its own investigation. Hoffner says he wants to return to work.”

    Interesting. I wonder who eavesdropped on this guy’s cellphone (issued by the university) and why the femihags running the University of Minnesota seem so unsatisfied with the judge’s decision? The article also doesn’t mention how long Hoffner sat in jail, what happened to his kids during and after ‘protective custody’; how much slander he got during this ordeal—and above all, nobody said anything about pursuing a false accusation.

    This case is a perfect specimen of the kind of paedohysterical vigilanteism that goes on the US.

  18. Alan Vaughn

    @theantifeminist

    I’d say that yes I agree, it does show you what priorities American society has.

    Yes it does, (using logic and FAIRNESS this scum-bag should have been sent to prison for 290 years – since there really is a victim and a child victim at that). However the point I was trying to make was (and admittedly I didn’t make as well as I could have) more about how the (mis)use of Facebook or the Internet, made it into an event that became almost ‘bigger than Ben Hur’, or how effectively the Internet can be used to whip up hysteria about almost anything.
    If there was anything even remotely sexual in the incident, he’d probably be found hanging from a tree or power pole outside his house by now…
    So as we always discuss here our society is only interested in naming and shaming or scapegoating ‘perverts’, not cowards or bullies!

    Feminists and their manipulated mainstream media partners love to highlight how ‘pervs’ and ‘sexual predators’ use the net and specifically, social networking (Facebook) for grooming ‘children’ for sexual exploitation or whatever..
    Yet, when looking into articles such as this one, the hysterical public are worse for MISUSING the same social networking resources and it’s easy to see how the Internet grooming myth was started and the hysteria surrounding it has grown to the moral panic it is now…

  19. Alan Vaughn

    @Eric

    ‘The University said that Hoffner remains on leave pending its own investigation. Hoffner says he wants to return to work.”

    Interesting. I wonder who eavesdropped on this guy’s cellphone (issued by the university) and why the femihags running the University of Minnesota seem so unsatisfied with the judge’s decision? The article also doesn’t mention how long Hoffner sat in jail, what happened to his kids during and after ‘protective custody’; how much slander he got during this ordeal—and above all, nobody said anything about pursuing a false accusation.

    This case is a perfect specimen of the kind of paedohysterical vigilanteism that goes on the US.

    Is there still such a thing in your Orwellian state as ‘Privacy’ anymore?
    Not that I’m knocking the US, because it’s probably even worse in Aus. I’d say that if that scenario unfolded here, he would have been found guilty and duly (severely) punished…

  20. Jack

    And while all this is going on there are dozens of phonesex sites in the US where you can role-play child abuse, age play etc. I won’t link to any of them, you can google them. I don’t know what to think of it. On the one hand it means free-speech, at least in the form of free phone-wanking, still enjoy real protection in the US (provided those phone-sex operators are not part of a police dragnet). But I can picture many mRAs calling those lines and getting off on telling the PSOs how they were once abused by their teacher/nurse/aunt/babysitter.

    I wonder whether mRAs would like the idea of hanging abusers of 17 year-olds in the following fashion: women-abusers and a men-abusers are hanged together, and they’re chosen to have the same weight, so that they can be hanged on each end of a cross-bar. The cross-bar staying horizontal would be proof that the law is fair and that children are protected against predators of both sexes. Picture the mRA crounching in the shade of the gallows, franticaly beating his meat.

  21. Eric

    Alan:
    Unfortunately, the paedohysteria is so bad over here that anybody who actually insists on privacy rights is considered suspicious. People believe that if all your personal information isn’t public; and you don’t submit voluntarily to background and credit checks, then you MUST be hiding something.

  22. Eric

    Jack:
    Actually, the psychopaths in the French Revolution (who were big believers in gender equity) did exactly what you described. One nutcase, who considered marriage as oppressive to women, tied priests and nuns together, performed a perverted marriage ceremony for them, put them on a cruise-ship and then torpedoed it.

    That scenario could very well appeal to many mRAs.

    Arch-paedocrite Bill O’Reilly has often called for the death penalty for ‘sexual predators’ irrespective of gender.

  23. theantifeminist

    Post author

    That scenario could very well appeal to many mRAs.

    I think feminists could do anything to ‘sex offenders’ and the likes of Paul Elam would still consider it ‘creepy’ to discuss it.

    Nearly 1 MILLION MEN registered as sex offenders now in the USA, with the numbers constantly growing. Increasingly treated worse than you would expect in a savage Third World country : http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/sex-offenders-live-miami-bridge/story?id=8420696

    And an increasing percentage of these men (perhaps the majority) have been jailed under feminist laws and feminist junk science and patriarchal power relations theories.

    But most mRAs would still say that they are not being punished enough, and the only issue is making sure female ‘perps’ get the same punishments.

    If future historians in a 100 years time look back on the men’s rights movement (if it is seen then as something historically significant), the leading MRAs like Paul Elam who not only ignored these issues, but actively affirmed them, will be considered in the same ‘how could they’ bracket as the white supremacist openly racist suffragettes.

  24. Jack

    I sometimes think the attitude of many men – MRAs and non MRAs alike – towards sex offenders and others types of non violent offenders (like drug offenders) could be simply driven by male-on-male competition. Secret motto: “The greater the number of my male brothers are in jail, the more women I have to myself”. Truely, if all non-violent offenders were to be set free, the already male-infested sexual market would become even more cut-throat. Human Societies are probably optimised to have 20% of their young males killed in warfare at any given time. When warfare fails to take its toll, males grow too numerous and women acquire so much power they become dysfunctional.

  25. Alan Vaughn

    Ok, Point taken. (I should have left out the last sentence).
    The point I was trying to highlight being that the majority of mRAs think they are above prosecution under any of their male sexuality laws, so maybe if someone closer to home was prosecuted (and cp is one that can affect almost anyone who uses the internet) they might see just how wrong and unfair they are and how easily anyone can fall foul of them.

    I wasn’t implying that I would like to see that happen to anyone!

    It’s kind of like car accidents – many think: Huh, they only happen to ‘other people’ not to me, because I am such a good, careful driver…
    If they ever do have a serious car accident or someone very close to them does, they change their attitude to something like: Anyone can be killed driving their car – the roads are not totally safe, no matter how careful one is…

  26. Alan Vaughn

    @Jack

    But I can picture many mRAs calling those lines and getting off on telling the PSOs how they were once abused by their teacher/nurse/aunt/babysitter.

    You are hilarious Jack, but you’re not wrong!
    You of course would know all about that (feminist) psychologist that a leading mRA blog, recently engaged to initially find any ‘men’ that considered themselves victims of older female ‘abusers’ and the ‘overwhelming response’ she received.

    I’d be very skeptical of any man who would so willingly admit to something like that in the first place.
    Junk science, founded on even ‘junkier’ and rubbishy research.

    Ridiculous…

  27. AOC laws (in practice) are feminist to the core. It’s the sole explanation for the fact that a 25 year old unmarried male teacher can be fired and blacklisted for “dating” (being seen in public) a 17 year old girl, but a 35+ year old married female teacher will receive probation and possibly keep her job after being caught naked with a 12 year old boy.

  28. You're dog meat, Brady

    @MaMu1977,

    A couple of years ago I read of a particularly petty case in which a male teacher in the UK was put on the sex offender’s register because he-get this-kissed a female 17 y.o. student of his under the mistletoe-I guess in a way that was considered erotic. They may have been involved, but the article seemed to say the reason for the conviction was that one incident.

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