French MPs Back Fines for Paying for Sex

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25164988

The French parliament has backed part of a bill that imposes a 1,500 euro (£1,250) fine on anyone paying for sex.

Prostitution is legal in France but pimping and soliciting in public are illegal.

Supporters of the bill say it would punish the customer and protect the prostitute but critics argue it would put sex workers at risk.

Protests for and against the bill took place outside the National Assembly in Paris as the debate took place.

MPs voted for the fine in a show of hands late on Friday night although the full text of the bill – which contains 20 articles – will be put to the vote on 4 December.

Under the new provision, repeat offenders risk a fine of 3,750 euros. Alternatively, they can attend a course to make them aware of the risks involved in the sale of sex

At the end of the BBC article a senior mangina is quoted :

Guy Geoffroy, head of the parliamentary commission created for the bill, also defended the proposition, saying it “advanced women’s rights”.

“We talk about the satisfaction of male desires but what are we doing about female desires?” he asked.

The BBC article certainly never mentioned male desires – nobody ever mentions male desires and whether, just as we recognise with homosexuality, that it is wrong to criminalise an adult for satisfying his male desires with another consenting adult.

but what are we doing about female desires?

Is he admitting here that the feminists that are introducing these laws are rapists and trying to rape men i.e. co-erce men into satisfying female sexual desires through criminalizing the alternative of cheap sex with prostitutes? Certainly, feminists never mention the desires of prostitutes, who are universally against laws criminalizing their clients.

Our primary objective should be to within the next 10 years, spread the meme that feminists are rapists, and that what they are doing through their numerous sex laws is literally attempted rape, actions that could and should be prosecuted under existing rape laws.

15 thoughts on “French MPs Back Fines for Paying for Sex”

  1. Reading your site is always depressing. Where do you get all these bad news!!?

    A strong meme would be good. I suggest we do explore alternatives

    A meme must have the potential to become virulent

    Or we can find many memes, start with easer ones

    Feminists castrate men

    We don’t need feminists because …..

  2. “No pity for men”

    Feminists conspire to make men suffer.

    Feminists want nerds and losers to lead sexless lives.

    Take away all consolation, prostitution or porn

    Thus

    Feminism causes rape

  3. “No pity for men”!

    Feminists conspire to make men suffer.

    Feminists want nerds and losers to lead sexless lives.

    Take away all consolation, prostitution or porn

    Thus

    Feminism causes rape!

  4. I’ve heard and seen a lot of debates about this new law in the French media and the French internet. Unlike in Britain or the US people opposed to the crack down have been allowed to speak out, but not one of them has brought up the STU argument. Not a single one of them! It seems everything can be said except the blatantly obvious.

  5. The best argument they could devise was : this law isn’t ok, instead of being defiled and brutalized in the open, within reach of the associations, the innocent victims of trafficking will be raped by sadistic customers in some secluded spot. The “prosti-tueurs” (prosti-killers) would do anything not to pay the 1500 euros fine!
    See how mean those sex criminals are !

  6. @Oscar: Indeed the female victimisation argument only worsens the case. It didn’t work with drugs (remember the “if you ban drugs people will buy them from crooks etc.”?) so there’s no reason it should cut any ice where prostitution is concerned.

    To tell the truth during debates some people brought up the issue of individual rights but then some other clumsy advocates always chipped in to muddle the issue with “if prostitutes cannot operate in the open they will get brutalised behind closed doors”.

    In one of the French debates I heard prostitutes in Sweden received 1200 euros monthly if they undertook to quit prostitution. What this means is that women receive taxpayer’s money not to fuck (or to fuck for bigger bucks since you can bet the women who took part in the scheme/scam will not be closely monitored). It’s the old tradcon cliché of paying the woman to be a housewife (ie to screw the milkman while the husband is away toiling).

    In the end everything Society decides converges to one result: give women money in return for nothing.

  7. @ Franck “What this means is that women receive taxpayer’s money not to fuck (or to fuck for bigger bucks since you can bet the women who took part in the scheme/scam will not be closely monitored).”

    Exactly. It’s the same story in the French courts. A victim (a minor) who doesn’t think she/he ‘s a victim is at first threatened by the police and then promised a jackpot (damages) if she/he “consents” to being a victim.
    Most of the time, the accused, being sent to prison, is ruined and unable to pay. That’s when the taxpayer’s money comes in handy : a state-run compensation fund has been set up for the victims. Violence and bribery are, far too often, the main purveyors of “innocent victims”.

  8. Indeed , modern society is one where male desires simply don’t matter. Males are emotionless, feelingless slaves. Female desires – respect them with life + give them money .

  9. … a state-run compensation fund has been set up for the victims

    While I’m sure if you end up in a wheelchair after stepping in to save the life of someone savaged by “youths” in the Paris subway, no fund will be available to compensate you. On the other hand it may be a blessing in disguise to see the “youth & immigration” problem to getting out of control in France (and to a similar degree in the UK). Female impunity is being usurped by other classes of “victims” (like youths and victims of alleged racism).

    Returning to the law on prostitution, there’s an interesting twist in the sense that the law also repeals the ban on passive soliciting. Like many laws in France it was never enforced but it was directed at women. So instead of penalising women for soliciting they now want to penalise the men for seeking out women. The message to women is “look, you will henceforth have nothing to fear if you stand in micro-skirt half-naked at street corners, we’ll arrest your johns instead. Cheer up girls, don’t you see it’s one step forward for us women and one step backwards for them men”. Many prostitutes don’t cheer up though because the law on soliciting, as I’ve said, was never enforced (no repressive law against women is ever enforced these days) while a law scaring away men risks being enforced to a degree, thereby compromising business.

    We haven’t heard the last about this. I hope to see high-profile cases. Prominent figures defying the law in order to be talked about. In Germany such a law would be lethal, because Germans (over)enforce any laws they pass, and fines in Germany are proportional to what you earn. In France a fine of 1500 euros is peanuts for good-earners who want to gain some media exposure.

  10. I think the meme idea is great, fantastic.

    But there are memes that are capable of turning viral, and others not. We can try, but not chose the meme.

    Feminists are Rapists

    if that takes off, great. It has shock value.

    But if not, we should try “easier” memes.

    Memes that people understand and accept and pass on.

    We should find a collection of memes

    Nerds and Losers need love too. And sex.

    We don’t need feminists because …………

    ………… women are empowered enough to get promoted without quotas
    ……….. women are strong enough to politely turn down cat calls

    The idea is great, but it needs further analysis and effort, and flexibility.

  11. Yes, Jack it’s not fair and they know it : the rich braggart will pay, fuck, pay the fine and brag.
    It’s only the first step. The only “just” punishment would obviously be prison.
    Prison for all. Remember : this is violence, trafficking (99 % of the time), psychological murder, isn’t it ? The “prosti-tueurs” are fully responsible for that, aren’t they ?
    Soon, despite the reeducation camps, the offenders will repeat their crimes.
    The sex criminals were given a chance to repent but failed to do it.
    If there’s isn’t enough room in jail, they will free some of the violent thugs who keep battering the prison guards. No doubt the new convicts will be more tractable …

  12. “a bill that imposes a 1,500 euro (£1,250) fine on anyone paying for sex.”

    Seems pretty workable – negotiate with a Prostitute, take her home f**k the shit out of her, then tell her you’d pay her but is it illegal so she’s out of luck. What can she do about it? Go to the police to get you to commit a crime? Typical liberal non-sense – so use it against them, to benefit yourself. That is the best way to handle all of their BS laws – subvert them to benefit the people they are designed to hurt – almost always the man.

    Come on guys – you are smart enough to outwit a bunch on nitwits….

  13. @JS

    Well you’d get the 1500 € fine plus a rape conviction : if she’s not paid she’s not willing to have a sex, if she’s not willing, then it’s rape.

  14. Seems pretty workable – negotiate with a Prostitute, take her home f**k the shit out of her then tell her you’d pay her but is it illegal

    I never met a prostitute in Europe who didn’t want the money upfront.

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