Feminist Attacks On Sexbots Continue

http://aeon.co/magazine/altered-states/how-will-sexbots-change-human-relationships/

Levy argues that as long as sexbots are artefacts, without ‘artificial consciousness’, there are no ethical implications in having sex with them or using them for prostitution. However, should sexbots attain artificial consciousness, Levy argues there may be both legal and ethical implications not only for humans but for the robots themselves. But even if sexbots are not currently conscious, they do have the external markings of personhood, and we are programming them to be person-like. Indeed, we are programming them to be like a specific type of person: the type of woman who can be owned by a heterosexual man.

If women are the model on which most sexbots are based, we run the risk of recreating essentialised gender roles, especially around sex. And that would be too bad, because sex technology has the potential to alleviate longstanding human problems, for both men and women. Sex tech can help us take on sexual dysfunction and profound loneliness, but if we simply create a new variety of second-class citizen, a sexual creature to be owned, we risk alienating ourselves from each other all over again.

See also : http://theantifeminist.com/feminist-attacks-the-idea-of-sexbots-bbc/

http://theantifeminist.com/feminists-seek-legislation-over-sex-bots/

14 thoughts on “Feminist Attacks On Sexbots Continue

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  2. gwallan

    "Indeed, we are programming them to be like a specific type of person: the type of woman who can be owned by a heterosexual man."

    So just exactly what are all those dildos and vibrators and other assorted phallic artifices that many women seem to own and delight in? What type of "ownership" would that imply? Is it preferable to employ something that at least mimics an entire human or something that reduces them down to little more than a body part?

  3. jack

    Moving to another planet would be the ultimate exercise

    Not even that would work because no technological solution can solve a problem that needs to be settled at a legal/political level. This is the most stubborn fallacy men keep falling into. Men love technological solutions because men are programmed to "get things done", not to unite to defend their rights.

    Technology was invented by men to attract women and make their lives cosy. Any technology that doesn't fit that description gets scuppered. Witness the male pill. Men have forgotten about the male pill because either they know deep down the fems have already decided to kill it, or because they're so blind that they haven't even noticed it is being shelved under their own eyes.

    Expect men all over the manosphere to enthuse about the latest advances in male-friendly technologies even as banning or disabling legislation is already in force in most countries.

  4. theantifeminist

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    @Jack - True, but these coming technological advances can act as a motivation to fight feminist political efforts to ban them.

    Moving to another planet would work, btw, if we left the women at home and contented ourselves with the sexbots.

  5. jack

    ... belief that flying across the world to fuck foreign pussy is the way forward

    It's true that I regard this as the way forward for myself in what is left of my useful life. However I don't peddle it as a solution as some men do on other sites. I realise it is one of those solutions that only remain valid as long as not too many men adopt it. What with Thailand and other places becoming unstable or cracking down or raising the bar for long term visas, the World is shrinking fast.

    Building Islands to escape governments is nothing new. Cults have been doing that with mixed result. The cults who took too many liberties with sexual repression have been surrounded and smoked out of their compounds. I remember drug libertarians once wanting to set up colonies outside the US where they could be free. The US and other countries moved to have the UN ratify conventions to have the main drugs banned everywhere.

    Tech inventions are in a league with islands. It makes me uneasy to see men rejoicing over new technology. "Good!" think the men. "Now we have the women where we want them. Let's just wait for sexbots (or virtual sex etc.) to become a little bit more sophisticated and then it's just a matter of putting aside a few thousand dollars for the purchase and goodbye misery!". It never works out like that. Women have no interest in such advances because they can have them suppressed at the stroke of a pen, so for men it's one wild goose chase after another. I find it a very bad omen that the likes of Microsoft and Google are showing zero interest in sexbots. They've smelt the market will not be allowed to develop.

  6. smkovalinsky

    "At the trial of Conservative MP Nigel Evans earlier this year, the court was told that he had tried to kiss someone, been rebuffed, and had backed off. This was regarded by the Crown Prosecution Service as potentially criminal."

    I don't know if sexbots or islands can lead us far enough away from this hubris for comfort. I think what really needs to be done is for the insane, arrogant, mentally ill, perverse people making the above judgments to be exposed for what they are, brought to justice, and stamped out as the witch hunters once were in prior eras.

  7. theantifeminist

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    It never works out like that. Women have no interest in such advances because they can have them suppressed at the stroke of a pen, so for men it's one wild goose chase after

    That's not quite the whole truth. Feminists are trying to supress new tech with brutal legislation but they're always playing catch up. Do you think, for example, feminists would ever be able to get rid of porn from the internet, no matter how many laws and ever harsher punishments they introduce? At some point they really will have to carry out a holocaust against men in order to stop sex tech liberating men.

    Microsoft and Google are showing zero interest in sexbots.

    Let's be serious, if either company 'showed an interest' in anything pornographic it would provoke outrage everywhere. Microsoft, Google etc are pursuing holographics, virtual reality etc, and everybody with a brain cell knows that the number 1 thing they will be put to use for will be porn (not by Google or Microsoft themselves though).

    Actually, Ray Kurzweil who is now head of A.I. at Google, has happily predicted sex bots and virtual sex happening within the next decade or two.

    Men love technological solutions because men are programmed to "get things done", not to unite to defend their rights.

    That would imply that our only realistic hope is by creating our own communities away from women and those men (perhaps always the majority of men) who do not or cannot share our outlook. This is already happening in a sense (online) with the manosphere.

    As regards sex bots, I've always said that they are a bit of a red herring. A better hope is that market forces will lead to women in effect turning themselves voluntarily into sexbots (and this is to an extent happening whatever feminists want - you just have to look out your window and observe all the young girls walking down the street in see-through leggings etc).

  8. theantifeminist

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    BTW, isn't it a bit odd that most of the manosphere look to sexbots for salvation, and yet so many claim to wish that women should stop being such 'sluts'?

  9. thedude

    "BTW, isn't it a bit odd that most of the manosphere look to sexbots for salvation, and yet so many claim to wish that women should stop being such 'sluts'?"

    Well, not really. Presumably we want "our" sexbot for us and us alone, not for every other man in a 500 mile radius. ;)

  10. jack

    ... so many claim to wish that women should stop being such 'sluts'?
    Especially American MRAs. On what plantet do they live? Even prostitutes (in countries where prostitution is legal) are not really "sluts". Negotiating covered blowjobs and shortimes with johns is not "slutty". It's more like driving a bargain. Would women be "sluts" in a country like the US where prostitution is illegal? If they would, we haven't heard about it. US women are as tight-cunted as women can get, that's what they are.

    Surveys have shown that if men had their way, they would have "constant orgies with beautiful strangers" (from David Buss et. al). So a man needs women to be sluts, but only with himself.

    Being slutty is something I'd never blame a woman for. I've been too often unhappy in my life because women around were anything but sluts. In fact discovering women's unsluttiness was the most disappointing and sobering development in my life as a teenager.

    I think many men saying they wish women would stop being sluts are hypocrites (yet another kind of "crites" alongside the well-known paedocrites).

  11. theantifeminist

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    Even prostitutes (in countries where prostitution is legal) are not really "sluts". Negotiating covered blowjobs and shortimes with johns is not "slutty". It's more like driving a bargain.

    Indeed, and that's my only objection to prostitution. It could be argued that it promotes the idea that sex is something to always be traded for at the highest profit. Of course, many feminist and conservative opponents of prostitution give a varient of this objection too, usually saying that sex should be about 'love' rather than a commercial transaction. What they mean is that prostitutes sell sex at a cheaper price than most women do through 'romance' and dating (and obviously marriage), and therefore undercut most women.

    I think most men have a dislike of 'sluts' chiefly because we live in a female determined monogamous society in which you're likely to lose a girl if she starts fucking another man (to him). In a 'Brave New World' type of society in which men and women were encouraged to lead open relationships and to 'share their loving' around as much as possible, I think the 'slut shaming' from a man's point of view would largely disappear. However, I'm not sure if women could be happy in such a society, and they'd still likely call each other sluts.

    I guess the 'slut shaming' impulse may be highly evolved in omega men, whose only hope of getting laid is in a rigidly monogamous society. For the rest of us, I think most men would prefer to have a different fuck every week than to be married to one aging woman for their entire lives. It's true that even the best PUAs currently have to approach 50 women to get one fuck, but that surely has a lot to do with female reticance not to 'give it too easily' (itself probably made worse by the slut shaming that even PUAs take part in).

    I want to have sex with lots of hot females. I'm glad that I'm not psychologically designed to see the female who gives to me what I want as a disgusting slut.

    Honestly, it's the male equivalent of the woman who feels like an abused whore the morning after she has great sex with a hot stranger.

    Maladaptive sexual psychology.

  12. Anonymous age 72

    I can't say what I would do if sexbots and virtual sex were available. I suppose it surprises a lot of you that a man my age would even be thinking about it. I view rural Mexico as the fountain of youth. A drop of Androgel from time to time, and my systems are strong. Up to now I have been faithful to my wife of ~38 years.

    But, though it may not be in my personal future, I can visualize a technically competent vaginal sex machine as serving a purpose. Add those head displays which makes your sexbot look like a hot babe, and, yeah!

    Add in an Internet connection to someone presenting as a woman, whose own sexbot did to her whatever I did to mine, and my sexbot did to me whatever she did to hers, add audio, and yes, I can see more men than you might believe would want in on it. it wouldn't matter if the other person were a 400 pounder as long as she could activate my machine and made good sounds and talked dirty over the audio, and I don't have to look at her. The 80% of men who are viewed as below average by 80% of women too often find dating live women to be an intolerable situation. Assuming they can even get a date.

    There are two reasons I don't think it will happen. First, the end is nigh for the US society. Anyone who lives there can't fully comprehend how really bad it is, like a family which eats boiled cabbage can't tell how badly it smells to people coming in the house. Other expats usually go back for a visit after one year in a sane society, and say, "Never again!" After just one year, the society is totally intolerable.

    Second, there would be extreme punishment for any man caught with such machines.

    The principal reason I will never use one is my age. But, even at my age, if my wife dies, THERE WILL BE BABIES IN MY HOUSE. My cousin and his wife both tell me I could easily have a young live-in mistress if I wanted, if I were willing to take a young widow with kids, or an unwed mother of good character. (They do exist in Mexico, as strange as it sounds, rare but they exist. Good character to me means they learned their lesson, and have only one birth.)

  13. thedude

    "I can't say what I would do if sexbots and virtual sex were available. I suppose it surprises a lot of you that a man my age would even be thinking about it."

    Not really. I'm not as old as you are (ouch, sorry), just barely entering "middle age" but my sexuality and sex drive have not altered one iota since I was a teenager, despite many claims I've read that a guy's sex drive "crashes after 30". Not been my experience. The only thing that has changed is my lack of interest in running around after women because of it, especially since 99.9% of the time it's a complete waste of time and energy.

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