Femi-Hag Rapists Want Paying for Sex Made Illegal in the UK

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/dec/26/government-pressure-review-prostitution-laws

The government is coming under increasing pressure to review prostitution laws in England and Wales, as neighbours consider following in the footsteps of Sweden and making the buying of sex illegal.

MPs, peers and women's groups based in England are supporting changes being considered by Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland and are calling on the government to consider introducing the so-called Nordic model.

"2013 is a year in which parliamentarians will be forcibly pushing for the laws around prostitution to be revised, especially in light of what is happening in devolved administrations," said Gavin Shuker, Labour MP for Luton South, and chair of the all-party parliamentary group on prostitution and the global sex trade. "It is clear that the current legal situation is failing women and it is failing communities, and the government needs to consider if the criminalisation of buying sex could help reduce demand."

17 thoughts on “Femi-Hag Rapists Want Paying for Sex Made Illegal in the UK

  1. Eric

    “The government needs to consider if the criminalization of buying sex could help reduce the demand.”

    That has got to be one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard a politician say. I wonder if making ALL sex illegal would reduce demand? Pfffttt.

    Only a deeply sexually repressive culture could even think like this. If the Moslems ever do take over the United Queendom, and impose Sharia Law, they’ll a population already largely psychologically prepared for it!

  2. Jacqui Hunt, London director of the human rights group Equality Now, said: “An increasing number of countries are recognising that true gender equality can never be reached as long as it is considered acceptable for one more powerful segment of society to purchase the bodies of those members whose options are much more limited.

    Disgusting.

    (Quotes are from the Guardian article.)

    “It is no accident that three of the top four countries with the highest level of gender equality have adopted the Nordic model as a way to combat sex trafficking and sexual exploitation. We are urging all governments, including the UK, to adopt legislation on prostitution, to promote the core principle of equality so the exploitation of women and girls can become a thing of the past.”

    Consensual deal between two adults so the male pays the woman for sexual services: not ok.

    Forcing a man to support a woman, against his will: ok

    Women can force men to work to support women.

    For this economical exploitation, indentured slavery, women don’t even need to purchase the bodies of these men.

  3. theantifeminist

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    Of course, for most of the men’s Rights Movement the only issue here is whether women will also be prosecuted for paying for sex.

  4. gwallan

    I’d be really surprised if the UK does it.

    Australia has legitimised prostitution and I can’t see that changing in Aus any time soon. It seems to work OK. I’ve had a few prostitutes as tax clients over the years. They’re just another small and quite legitimate business(with VERY interesting deductions).

    Interesting that whenever I’ve tuned into these debates it’s the prostitutes collectives who always come off sounding the most rational.

  5. theantifeminist

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    I simply don’t understand how no legal action can be taken against these femi-hag rapists for even trying stuff like this.

    Not only is the behaviour of thousands upon thousands of men going to be criminalized if this goes through (of course, nobody gives a sh** about that), but the prostitute’s livelihoods are also being destroyed – they’re being forcibly turned into victims by these feminist hags, who clearly have a self-interested sexual motive in making these laws.

  6. Clarence

    Actually, theantifeminist, this is one sexual fight I think you could get the majority of MRA’s to rally around. Age of consent has some use (even if most of the laws are far, far too draconian in terms of age/penalties) and strikes most of the MRM as a losing battle. This is a bit different. Prostitution is often regarded by the largely libertarian MRM as a victimless crime, and I’m reasonably sure Paul Elam is for legalized prostitution.

  7. Eric

    Here’s some better New Years’ news from, of all places, the hyperpuritanical United States:

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/01/02/vawa-dead-for-now/

    Yes, VAWA is officially dead: it’s legislative term having lapsed without renewal. Of course, as Welmer pointed out, it could be re-introduced. He’s even included a shocking video in this article, which speaks volumes about the value of men in the US.

  8. Its amazing that they get all hyper over something like this yet do nothing about paternity fraud. At least the prostitute gets paid. The duped husband doesnt get squat. He works for free and without choice. He is just lied to, frauded and exploited all for the benefit of the wife.
    Clowns like Jacqui Hunt, claim they are for equality yet do nothing about paternity fraud? In my book that makes them liars.

  9. Eric

    Well, I knew the good news wouldn’t last long. Dean Esmay announced, with great fanfare today, the inclusion of femihag Erin Pizzey as an AVfM editor.

    In Ms. Erin’s first post:

    “I ask that we stand together, not divided by gender, but united in recognizing that domestic violence is not and never has been a gender issue. Violence in the family is generational and if we ignore the damage done to children marinated in violence, we throw away our children’s lives and repeat the pattern of violence.”

    OMG.

    “I am writing begging you to become ambassadors for family life and the inclusion of men back into their families. I say this knowing that if we do not return men to their rightful status as human beings worthy of equal treatment under the law, we will get nowhere.”

    How f—-g generous of her!

    Those are the highlights of some of Ms. Erin’s intolerably tedious farrago, published today on A Voice for Manginas. It’s nothing but ‘Social Purity’ feminism all over again. I think we’re seeing the so-called ’4th Wave Feminism’ unveiling before our eyes.

  10. Mature Age Bachelor

    “Australia has legitimised prostitution and I can’t see that changing in Aus any time soon. It seems to work OK.” I have noticed that too. To the Antifeminist, and all the esteemed readers on this blog, keep up the good work. I believe that the information on this site will make a difference.

  11. Alan Vaughn

    @gwallan

    Australia has legitimised prostitution and I can’t see that changing in Aus any time soon. It seems to work OK. I’ve had a few prostitutes as tax clients over the years. They’re just another small and quite legitimate business(with VERY interesting deductions).

    Don’t count on it mate, I can also clearly remember when any adult (i.e anyone 18+) could walk into any adult bookstore in most states bar QLD, and legally purchase what would now see him sent to prison for many years as a despised paedophile!
    Yes as recently as about 1981 or maybe even more recently, an adult Australian could legally buy and legally possess magazines and 8mm movies of what was then known as ‘teen porn’, which consisted of depictions of young people aged between 12 and 17 years old, engaging in sex.
    Of course ALL such material is now highly criminalized and being caught in possession of such ‘child pornography that it is now classified as, will almost certainly destroy one’s life, forever…

    Never underestimate the power of these bitter and jealous femihags: they have outlawed child porn here to the degree that I don’t dare look at ANY erotic material online, in case their ridiculous legal definitions deem that I may in fact have (inadvertently, which of course isn’t an accepted mitigation), downloaded / accessed / possessed ‘child-pornography’.

    If they can accomplish that so easily, the could just as easily out-law any form of prostitution.

  12. Alan Vaughn

    @theantifeminist

    Of course, for most of the men’s Rights Movement the only issue here is whether women will also be prosecuted for paying for sex.

    Right. Perhaps a good slogan or motto for the mRM (not MRM) could be something like:

    “A group of men and women advocating the advancement of EQUAL INJUSTICE for all persons.”

  13. theantifeminist

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    Right. Perhaps a good slogan or motto for the mRM (not MRM) could be something like:

    “A group of men and women advocating the advancement of EQUAL INJUSTICE for all persons.”

    Haha, very true Alan.

    On a more optimistic note, somebody posted this article (my post linking to the Guardian article) at reddit men’s rights and it’s been massively upvoted.

    Perhaps the tide is slowly turning?

  14. michael savell

    Why don’t they just ban sex and have done with it?
    There was kerb crawling which only featured the humiliation of any male seen looking for sex with the heavy fines and threat of disclosure then we had people trafficking which identified basically only woman as victims who got paid for admitting they were”in fact” victims.Trafficked males were given nothing.We have the row about identifying those people
    who like to watch porn,whether they should have to opt in or not and have their names plastered all over
    the place.We have now the spectacle of the consevative party doing Harriet Harman’s bidding,and debating the policy she introduced,her next logical step will be the introduction of steel chastity belts for all males,try getting through customs then lads.

  15. gwallan

    Alan…

    re porn it often depends on which party is in power at the state level. The right has tended to be a little more libertarian. eg It became much easier to buy videos in Victoria after the Kennett govt was elected in 1992.

    Thanks for the flashback. I was aware of what was available through the seventies and eighties but totally forgotten. There was stuff in public libraries that would cause national meltdowns today.

  16. Alan Vaughn

    @gwallan

    There was stuff in public libraries that would cause national meltdowns today.

    LOL!
    I’d venture to add that a lot of that stuff might still be sitting on the shelves of those libraries today too – the stupid old bags just don’t know about it yet!
    And yes I remember ol’ Jeff very well (I lived in Sydney throughout his entire term – about 7 or 8 yrs?). He was somewhat of a tyrant with many things but surprisingly liberal minded with other issues such as these and I don’t think he was all that scared of femihags either! He even mocked their pc ideologies at times (not without highly controversial reactions from them of course).

    At the same time porn was available in most other states (during the 70′s & 80′s), the Sir Joh Bjelke Petersen led state of Queensland, absolutely forbade the selling of ALL porn.
    Even ‘Playboy’ magazines had to be thoroughly scrutinized by the state’s indecent publications tribunal and they often banned many such (very ‘tame’ to ‘mild’) erotic publications from sale.

    However, they weren’t totally unfair: it was still quite legal to possess porn in QLD, one could easily order it by mail from any of the states where it was legally procurable, or bring in after visiting another state and purchasing it whilst there.
    Prostitution in QLD was totally illegal and quite strictly policed during Sir Joh’s reign, but is now fully legal (albeit, somewhat over-regulated) and apparently: quite a thriving new ‘industry’ for QLD.

  17. theantifeminist

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    Clarence said :

    Actually, theantifeminist, this is one sexual fight I think you could get the majority of MRA’s to rally around. Age of consent has some use (even if most of the laws are far, far too draconian in terms of age/penalties) and strikes most of the MRM as a losing battle. This is a bit different. Prostitution is often regarded by the largely libertarian MRM as a victimless crime, and I’m reasonably sure Paul Elam is for legalized prostitution.

    Sorry, I meant to reply to this comment before. I wouldn’t be so sure that the MRM is for the legalization of prostitution. Even posts on prostitution used to get downvoted at reddit men’s rights – one commentator asked ‘I’m not sure what our offical position on this is.’

    Although W.F.Price published an excellent piece at the Spearhead recently : http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/12/21/is-prostitution-really-about-exploitation/

    However, many MRAs would, I think, be inclined to be half-hearted in taking up prostitution as a cause, given that it is seen as ‘anti-family’.

    Paul Elam is a very difficult character to work out – I’m not sure what his attitude to prostitution is. I would imagine it’s negative. He’s certainly a ‘slut shamer’.

    You can’t really predict what sex issues Paul Elam will or will not support. There was a guy who runs a site called ‘Sex Offender Issues’ who tried posting comments at AVfM a while back, and they were all deleted and he was presumably banned (he never even mentioned the age of consent to my knowledge).

    On the other hand, Paul will let AVfM attack rape laws, even the law defining drunken sex as rape : http://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/fbi-to-%E2%80%9Credifine%E2%80%9D-the-meaning-of-rape/

    Now with regards to the age of consent, this is odd, because it seems to me that if these MRAs refuse discussions of AofC on the grounds that it is a ‘speed limit’ that men should just not cross (one of his co-opters ‘sasha’ even came here making that point with regard to Eivind Berge), then it seems odd we should object to an ‘alcohol limit’ with regard to consensual sex.

    I’ve never held that ‘lowering the age of consent’ should be a men’s rights issue, although I think it should be lowered, and that is the only way to preserve justice for men and even for girls. However, the draconian punishments and related issues – such as paedohysteria in general and sex offender issues – ought to be valid issues, as much as prostitution, rape laws, and domestic violence. And to judge whether or not age of consent punishments are too draconian, you have to examine the underlying logic of age of consent laws, which is what I have been trying to do here recently.

    However, I do take your point, and prostitution could be a battering ram, if you like, to force the entire spectrum of criminalization of male sexuality issues into the men’s rights domain.

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