And so it begins. The feminist campaign to raise the age of consent to 21 and beyond has started in earnest. I thank my loyal and well-informed reader ‘Highwayman’ for delivering me the depressing news that the Netherlands is set to increase the minimum age for sex work from 18 to 21.
Of course, this event has far wider implications than merely the age and the beauty of the prostitutes gazing out from the windows of the Amsterdam red light district. Once again, look behind the visage, and feminist laws such as this reveal the entire strategy and truely ugly selfish motivation of the sexual trade union. Feminists in the Netherlands could just as easily make an outright ban on prostitution as raise the minimum age to 21. But the attraction of a move like this lies not only in making paying for sex with prostitutes less tempting to men (because young and nubile sex workers are forbidden) - the greater motive is in setting the bar ever higher in what is acceptable for older women to control the sexuality of younger females, and to rule those younger women out of bounds as sexual objects for men.
As often detailed on this site, little more than a century ago the age of consent in most countries was 12 or 13. Contrary to what some conservative anti-feminists have written recently, pre-marital sex with ‘minors’ was not generally forbidden as such, although out of wedlock pregnancy was. In fact, at this time there were estimated to be over 100,000 prostitutes in London alone, with probably the majority of them being under 18. Feminism originated in (successful) campaigns against child prostitution. Laws were passed that were lobbied for almost entirely by feminists (and fought against by anti-feminists, who at that time still had balls) decades before those same feminists had won the right to vote, or even in some cases, even called for the right to the vote.
Nobody could argue against laws preventing 12 year old girls hanging around street corners offering themselves for sex. But 100 years ago, the deceitful modus operandi of the trade union was the same as it is today. Those early feminists and suffragettes, such as Emmeline Pankhurst, could have lobbied for simple laws prohibiting under 16s from engaging in prostitution. Instead, they successfully lobbied for a rise in the age of consent itself. Again, despite the erroneous historical readings of 19th century social history by certain members of the men’s rights community, there was little support for the idea at the time (outside of feminist self-rationalisations) that 14 or 15 year old girls could not consent to sex. The justification used by feminists was that an age of consent set at 16 would prevent child prostitution.
Whether or not it was foreseen at the time (in the UK and USA) that such laws would later prosecute millions of men for having consensual sex with teenage girls, the magical age of 16 as the age of full sexual responsibility for girls was achieved, even in European countries such as Germany and Italy in which the age of consent itself remained lower (but in which feminists likewise had set certain sexual limits relating to the age of 16).
Fast foward to the last decades of the 20th century and the feminist sexual trade union successfully defined 18 as the limit for both prostitution and pornography, enshrined in international treaties that included the United Nations charter of ‘children’s rights’. They achieved this with the assistance of America’s unique conception of a ‘minor’ (what a disgusting and revealing term) being somebody under 18 (Highwayman made an interesting comment about California’s high age of consent perhaps being specifically responsible for the propagation of this meme, for example through the medium of Hollywood).
Thus, even though the age of consent is still only 18 in a small number of American states and an even smaller handful of backward Islamic nations, the idea has spread around the entire world that there is something ‘questionable’ about having sex with a 16 or 17 year old, even in countries such as Spain and Argentina, free until very recently from the scourge of feminism, and where the age of consent is still 13. In fact, given the merging of the virtual with the real worlds, there now is a very real danger everywhere in having a sexual relationship with a girl over the age of consent but under 18. Every country in the world apart from Somalia and the USA has signed the UN charter on children’s rights which defines child pornography as any sexual representation of a ‘minor’ (the USA lobbied for the anti-sex elements of the children’s rights charter, but then refused to sign up to it because it would have also forced them to stop putting 16 year old black kids on to death row). Therefore it is now still legal to have sex with a 13 year old girl in Spain (if you can avoid being lynched), but if you happened to text her 17 year old sister in any way describing the act, you could be prosecuted for creating child porn.
The ‘virtual child pornography’ elements of the UN children’s rights charter were an attempt to fuzzy the border between the age of 18 and beyond, ‘childhood’ and adulthood. But here at least was the idea that the pornographic model had to look under 18. With this new prostitution law in the Netherlands, the common perception will quickly gain ground that even those aged 18 -21 are now unable fully to consent to sex, and even non-paid for sex with 20 year old women will soon become tainted with connotations of ‘paedophilia’ and ‘child abuse’.
Other countries will no doubt be quick to adopt this law – to bring their ‘child protection’ guidelines up to date with the Netherlands (in fact, it is amazing to consider, and a testament to the power of 3rd wave feminists and their sex abuse industry, that less than a decade ago, the age of consent itself in Holland was only 12).
Feminist shaming language will ensure that other countries will be quick to follow. An example of this is playing out right now in Switzerland, one of the few places left in which 16 year olds can work as prostitutes. 16 year olds who are perhaps less than 13 months away from being able to serve as cannon fodder, and who in neighbouring Austria are deemed to be intelligent and experienced enough to be able to vote in general elections.
A chain of catch-up is established. Soon most countries in the EU will have prostitution limits set at 21. This will then be extended to pornography, and to ’relationships in which authority is involved’ i.e. teacher/student relationships at which the cut off point is presently 18. Then, finally, the age of consent itself will be revised upwards to 21. Countries slow to adopt the new consensus will be shamed as ‘kiddy abuse capitals’, and hysteria regarding fears of ‘paedophile sex tourism’ will be whipped up to rouse the mob into forcing their governments to sign up.
And then…well, you can see it coming now can’t you? A ‘progressive nation’ will revise the minimum age for prostitution and/or pornography upwards to 25..the age of consent and extension of the definition of paedophilia will eventually follow..and the feminists and the ‘men’s rights supporters’ who secretly (or not) wish to have pre-marital sex criminilized will finally have gotten their wish.
Let’s just hope there will still be anti-feminists who can hear the screams of the millions of men being raped and beaten in prison as a result of these laws…men with no other voice to shout against the feminist sexual trade union.
Is Reddit Men’s Rights Getting Better?
I’ve been a harsh critic of reddit.com/r/mensrights in the past, but lately there does seem to be more genuine men’s rights supporters standing their ground in the comments section over there. I’ve just returned from my summer hols (apologies for lack of updates and slow comment moderation), but whilst I had a quick scan of Reddit, I came across possibly the best comment I have ever read there. It was in reply to a redditor’s post asking what percentage of sex offenders were genuine perverts, and what percentage where there for urinating against the wall of a nightclub :
also a lot of the sex offender terminology is an attempt to demonize the sexuality of men. terms like “predator” should really be applied to gold diggers, but they are reserved specifically for male sexuality by and large. since men are the biological pursuers of women, we can always be demonized as “predators” and “perverts” when in reality, it’s just a natural response to seeing a half naked girl. yet this feminist society shames male sexuality by telling us we are perverted for looking at huge half-covered, surgically enhanced tits. those tits obviously aren’t made bigger for breast feeding. they are made so that males WILL look.
women are really trying to have their cake and eat it too at the expense of men. on every facet women want to be equal to men while ignoring all the responsibility that men have to bear… even in sex offender cases where the woman is a female, the story is portrayed as something entirely innocent and benign, unlike the exact same situation where the genders are reversed. yes, even where sex is concerned, men must bear all the shame and all the responsibility. no longer are we allowed to call women sluts. no longer are we allowed to blame scantily clad women when they get raped. everything is the fault of men. men are bad. women are good. water is wet. case closed.
men need to start learning to say FUCK YOU to feminism. they need to start getting their balls back and learning to say NO to the entitlement mindset of today’s women raised under feminism’s permissive and abusive system. otherwise, men will forever fight a losing battle of trying to justify their natural sexual urges to women.
(rollinon
I’ve changed my mind about Reddit Men’s Rights. I think that rather than ignoring it or trying to weaken it, the best policy of the (genuine) men’s rights movement would be to submit as many relevant articles and posts as possible, at the same time as engaging in upvoting genuine articles and downvoting those submitted by feminists or closet mangina idiot MRAs.
QUOTE: “the idea has spread around the entire world that there is something ‘questionable’ about having sex with a 16 or 17 year old, even in countries such as Spain and Argentina”
Oh no not Argentina too! And to think in 2002 they had Luisana Lopilato in a sexy pose on the cover of “Gente” magazine when she was 15 years old. What a shame to think that women of such beauty are off-limits to men. Anyway she was stunning back then and she is still stunning now and engaged to a man over 10 years older than her (good for them).
QUOTE: “In fact, given the merging of the virtual with the real worlds, there now is a very real danger everywhere in having a sexual relationship with a girl over the age of consent but under 18.”
Yup, unfortunately if you pathologize relationships between older men and young girls enough the age of consent can be turned into a moot point.
@Highwayman She is/was indeed beautiful. I assume you’ve seen the video on YouTube of the sexy dance from the first expisode of Rebelde Way? I like to imagine that the Woman teacher looking outraged is a feminist – ha! To think this was family entertainment in Argentina just a few years ago!
from the first link:
“The Dutch ban on brothels was lifted ten years ago”
And so the feminists seek to undo the ban by raising the minimum age.
Cut the head off of the hydra and another grows back in its place.
@evilwhiteempire This is a central reason why feminists, on the whole, don’t campaign much anymore for an outright ban on pornography. Quite soon the only porn it will be safe to produce or even watch will be MILF/cougar porn, of which even the most ugliest of feminists can imagine themselves as. This is quite acceptable to most feminists, and their unattractive, aging female supporters.
It’s debatable to what extent feminists as such were behind the Dutch decision to legalise brothels. But the arguments used at the time were that it would mean that the government would be better able to regulate prostitution, as well as derive taxation income from it. The government becomes the pimp. The example of Sweden has shown that a complete ban on prostitution just means that the number of ‘independent’ working girls offering their services over the internet increases. Arguably, this is more of a threat to women and the sexual interests of the gynocracy than having prostitution strictly controlled and regulated. Independent call girls are a feminists worst nightmare. A man and a woman honestly exchanging goods (cash for sex) free from the gaze or interference of the sexual trade union. To completely put a stop to prostitution, feminists would have to start locking up prostitutes for extended periods of time, as well as putting them on the sex offenders register etc. This, they would love to do, but obviously would show feminism up for what it really is. Despite this, feminists in the UK are forcing ‘trafficked prostitutes’ to attend cumpulsory courses on the evils of selling your body for sex.
However, your point is quite valid. Feminists, like women in general, are emotional rationalizers, and when it comes to the politicised confusion of female sexuality and morass of conflicting female sexual needs, absurdities such as this will be plentiful. Most of the sexual trade union’s activities are largely subconscious. Thus it is both in a woman’s interests to be autonomous and have rights over her own body (which seems to favour legalisation of sex work), and also for unattractive women to stop better looking women from selling sex too cheaply (i.e. a feminist ban on or curtailing of prostitution).
By the way, I appreciate very much your well thought out and stimulating comments here, as well as linking to my site in places such as the Spearhead. And I agree 100% with your comments on that Amanda bitch!
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@Antifeminist
You mean the video where she is dancing on stage with a bunch of other school girls in school girl uniforms and then proceeds to strip down to a bikini on stage? Yes I have seen that video, as one commenter on that video said “if school was like that I would never have left” LOL!
@Highwayman : Oh yes, that one! Some of the comments are funny, although Americans keep asking ‘how the fuck old is she you perverts?’ (they probably then have to replay it 20 times to, ahem, determine her exact age and the level of our perversity).
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“Most of the sexual trade union’s activities are largely subconscious. Thus it is both in a woman’s interests to be autonomous and have rights over her own body (which seems to favour legalisation of sex work), and also for unattractive women to stop better looking women from selling sex too cheaply (i.e. a feminist ban on or curtailing of prostitution).”
That’s always been an interesting aspect of feminism. That it tries to have its cake and eat it too. Makes sense if what is being shot for here is an optimization of female sexual agency as opposed to an all out war on male agency (as the case with religion).
“By the way, I appreciate very much your well thought out and stimulating comments here, as well as linking to my site in places such as the Spearhead.”
Your quite welcome.
I’ve recently made a point of linking to this site whenever I see an opportunity.
It’s remarkable how many guys (even MRA’s) buy into the feminist koolaid that prior to the 60′s all women were miserable sex slaves who for some mysterious reason waited for over a thousand years before deciding to do something about the so called patriarchy.
Are you serious about this? Do you have highly respectable sources for that? CNN? Reuters? The Dutch government?
This law is in already in force? is planned? under discussion? I did not quite get that.
Anyway, this is extremely shocking.
I was trying to keep this secret. But I can tell you what the ultimate feminist age of consent law would look like:
Make it a felony to have sex with anyone who is more then 4 years younger then you, unless they are married. So a 50 year old pervert oogling a 45 year old: off to jail!
And most Christian fundamentalists want to outlaw all sex between unmarried people anyway, so this law has good chances.
Oh, and then of course, travelling with the intent of engaging in such sex in other countries should be a felony too.
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@Human-Stupidity : Radio Netherlands doesn’t normally make its stories up. I can’t read Dutch, and the the Radio Netherlands english article seems to be the source that all the other articles are quoting. I agree it’s not entirely clear if the law has already been passed or is merely set to be passed.
The problem with feminists creating laws like ‘no sex with someone 5 years younger than you’, is that 45 year old feminists will still want the power to attract anybody they want, including men more than 5 years older than themselves. It would likely also be unpopular with younger women, I would imagine, although perhaps most women, even younger women (who can vote) would be content in the knowledge that it would stop their mates going off with much younger women/girls.
If you ask a 14 year old girl what the age of consent should be, the most likely answer is 14. If you ask a 16 year old girl, it will be 16. An 18 year old, 18. If you ask a 40 year old what the age of consent should be she is likely to say 18 or 21, but really, she would like it to be 40. The only reason she won’t say 40 is because it would be pretty obvious what the motivation is.
I hate to be the bearer of depressing news again but it appears that the Swiss government has caved in and has passed a motion to raise the age for prostitution there to 18 according to this article: http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Sex_with_prostitutes_under_18_to_be_illegal.html?cid=9020586
Sigh…I was really hoping that the issue of U18 prostitution could be studied there and that we could find a way to allow young girls to work as sex care workers (if they so desired) while also finding a way for them to enjoy safe and comfortable working conditions. I give my thanks to any Swiss who made any attempt to fight this change as it must have taken balls of steel in this climate.
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Western men need to bite the bullet…and strike a deal with muslims. Yeah yeah…I know….Islam is oppressive….big deal…….feminism is more oppressive……to men at least. The fact is that in all the years of mens rights activisim……all I really see is a big fat circle jerk…..guys bitching about how stuffed up laws are……how unfair the world is becoming under feminist rule……..all true……but your doing nothing about it by just getting on forums and blogs bitching. When was the last time any of you donated money to the MRA cause…..when was the last time you wrote your political representatives…….for most……the answer is never. And so in all the time I’ve watched the MRA grow and grow…….I’ve also watched more and more draconian misandrist laws get rolled out. The MRA can grow as big as the universe……as long as it stays just a bunch of guys who blog…….bitch……complain…..and do nothing….not much will change……and off we go……quietly into the night. Maybe not quietly….still bitching as the trapdoor opens……but doing nothing. Islam offers a solution. Feminists are shit frightened of them…….to scared to publically condemn them……..and the reason is that they aren’t castrated impotent western men……they will fight back……and feminist heads will roll…….literally……if feminists try to attack Islam in the way they demonize and villify us other men. They are also a massive organisation…….far bigger then feminism on a world scale. They are funded as well. What we need to do in open dialogue with muslims and get it through their heads that the feminists are their main…….number one enemies. The same laws that enable our western women to divorce us……through us out of our homes…..steal our assetts……make false accussations……be believed……and get your thrown in jail…….also apply to them…..and neutralise all of their religeous and cultural beliefes and customs……their whole religion is rendered useless and they are not free to enforce any asspect of it……because of feminist laws. They are our friends because we share a common enemy. Forget about all your objections to shit like……stoning women to death for adultury……I’m past caring. Maybe they had it right all along……maybe the only way to stop the totalitarian nature of women from taking over all together and destroying everyone elses rights is to have a system where they are forced to stick to the productive and positive elements of being a women……and the negatives are severly punished…..and thats that……no negotiation……thats how it is…..if you want to live in civilisation built by men that provides you with what you need to live…….you stick to the rules we make or we remove you from our society…….period……maybe thats what it takes.
At worst…….you’ll have to give up drinking…….and pork……and not have sex outside of marriage……at least not enless you can handle the 80 lashes if your single…….or the stoning if your marriad. The pros are……your wife….or wives…can not divorc you without damn good reason…….Islamically sanctioned reason…….if divorced……you get the option of custody of all boys that are weened….and all girls over 6 years old. They can not claim you have raped them……because their is no such thing as rape in marriage in Islam. They can not claim you have beaten them without proof……and even then…..the court may decide the beating was justified if it left no physical damage. Your wife……if you divorce her…….can not claim more of your assetts then what was agreed before the marriag……the dowry. And she can only claim support for a limited period of time……very limited. Personally I’ve started to believe that they got it right. They also do not allow women to sexually harass men by dressing provocatively and behaving in flirting way……..and then objecting to male attention. If you display your sexuality and spray it around for all to see…….you bare the consequences.
If we want to start to reverse anti male laws……and get rid of legalised misandry…….I think that Islam is the only large…..organised machine that currently exists to help us do that……….the MRA message is reaching more men……but most men it reaches simply pass it on…….do nothing else……except take steps to mitagate feminist influences in their own lives……..marriage 2 sucks……..don’t get married…….co habitation is the same as marriage 2…..don’t do that either……..get a vasectomy……..etc etc etc……..but is that the way men really want to live…….no family……no long term relationships. Get it through your head…….we are losing…….and stepping further and further back just menas the line advances more and more forward…..driving us further back again……..we need to push that line back ……and Islam can help us do it.
No, Islam does not offer any solution. Instead of ‘striking a deal’ with Islam, why don’t you just simply convert? If Islam is a solution, what is the point of a men’s rights movement?
It is an interesting question as to whether we should in some way ‘co-operate’ with Islam (for example – joint anti-feminist protests). However, as any reader of this blog is aware, I don’t want to swap one sexually repressive tyranny (feminism) for another (Islam).
Islam is only a solution if you don’t know much about Islam. There are things in Islam that are far more problematic for men. For example, apart from sexual access to the man and caring for her children, she is not obligated and cannot be compelled to do anything! The man has to bear the burden of EVERYTHING.
That means not only is she not required to support the household – she may create as many demands upon the man as she likes and not contribute at all! Also, the alimony is decided before marriage (which could be great in some circumstances) but there are more progressive interpretations of family law in Islam that aren’t that far from the Western courts.
In other words, if you convert to Islam, you will find out the new boss is same as the old boss. Maybe then you will realize that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
Fuck you… that’ll never happen. Once that happens, they’ll increase it somewhere beyond 30.
It’s a matter of time.