At what age is the average female most sexually alluring to an ordinary, healthy, uncastrated male? Is it even possible to ask this question in the climate of today, and expect a reasonably honest answer? There have been a couple of good tries in the anti-feminist community recently, but such attempts inevitably end up with men playing the ‘I’m less of a paedophile than any other man here – feminists might be reading’ game. Perhaps, on such topics, we should follow the sage advice of Ludwig Wittgenstein, and accept that ‘of that which we cannot speak of, we ought to remain silent’? At least this way some semblance of male dignity is preserved.
One things for sure. The mangina respondents to this survey, faced with their scowling wives peering over their shoulders, didn’t remain silent when they clearly ought to have.
Well, I’m going to have a go at a politically incorrect, honest analysis of what evolutionary theory, and not the deluded wishes of 31 year old women, would predict men to find most attractive, age wise, in females.
But not today. If something so politically incorrect is worth doing, then it’s worth doing well, and I need your help. I’m asking readers like Highwayman, Frank, RR, and others, as well as other bloggers such as Human-Stupidity and Jay Hammers to give me some suggestions and advice. Any links and resources would also be most valued.
Hopefully I’ll have the article completed before I allow my wandering eyes to put theory into practice on the beaches of the French riviera next month. But for now, here is a sketch of some of the points I will be addressing :
The concept of ‘peak fertility’. A mistake often made is to assume that because a woman reaches peak fertility (number of eggs produced) at age 22 or so, that this means that men will find her most attractive at 22. False. You also have to factor in the number of remaining years of fertility into the equation. Also, the likelihood of the girl being a virgin or not (‘mummy’s baby, daddy’s maybe’). For these reasons, even though an 18 year old may be slightly ‘less fertile’ than a 22 year old, ET would still predict that men would prefer the 18 year old. (and there are also good ET reasons why a woman would reach peak fertility some time after she has bonded with/attracted a male provider – I will explain these in the finished article).
Evidence through long-term history. The well-established fact that the norm has been for men to marry girls shortly after the commencement of fertility (the menarche).
Evidence through recent history. Whatever the situation in America, in Europe both ‘paedohysteria’ and the extension of paedophilia to embrace sex with ‘minors’ (a ‘minor’ itself being an imported American concept), is a very recent phenomenon. Little more than 10 years ago, the most popular porn franchise in Europe was ‘channel seventeen’ – hardcore pornographic videos featuring 16 and 17 year old Dutch girls (now of course, illegal even to view due to American/’child protection’ group lobbying). The most popular British newspaper, the ‘Sun’, reached it’s position (after almost folding in the 70′s) through publishing topless ‘page 3′ girls, often aged 16 or 17 (including the most famous of them - Samantha Fox). Equivalents in Denmark and Gemany, such as Das Bild, regularly published topless photos of 15 year olds. More risque tabloids, such as the British ‘Sunday Sport’ often held competitions for its readers to have sex with 16 year old pornstars. In fact, it would often count down the days until one of their glamour models reached her 16th birthday, titilating readers with revealing bikini shots, until it could legally show her topless. The market does not lie.
In Japan, which until the last few years had absolutely no taboos whatsoever on teenage sex, it was taken for granted that teenage girls were most attractive (and virtually all porn and erotica involved teenage girls). Train stations would have used schoolgirl panty vending machines. In Japan the school uniform is a symbol of male desire, just as the mini-skirt is in America. Are Japanese men simply perverted? Or is a more likely explanation that Japan, until the last few years, was free from anglo-saxon christian puritism, as well as sexual trade union feminism? (not to mention being free from America’s teen pregnancy rates, teen obesity levels, youth violence etc. But that’s another article….)
Statistical reasons relating to accepted criteria such as youthful skin, hip/waist measurements etc. Here it would be most helpful if anybody could provide a link to any relevant charts/tables.
Removing mis-leading modern day factors : the average woman of today has a greater variety of make-up, hair styling methods, and clothes to choose from than even Cleopatra would have had access too. And the application of all of these articifial enhancements to a female’s looks are ‘skills’ that improve over time. These are major off-setting factors, but remember, we are talking about raw physical desire. In the street, I see many sexually attractive 30 year olds. In the swimming baths, without hair styling, make-up, jewellery, or expensive clothes, I rarely see any attractive woman over 22.
Feminism increases ‘paedophilia’ : Rising testosterone levels, as well as greater obesity, mean that the feminine body found in many 20 year olds of only 50 years ago, would probably be found more often in 14,15 or 16 year olds of today.
Kim Kardashian’s 14-year-old sister Kendall defends bikini photo shoot



Well, you are mostly right.
And it takes guts to blog about this nowadays. Good job.
WRT your request for resources….
I once came across a great article on the topic of male sexual attraction to young girls many years ago. Unfortunately I never saved it and I can no longer find it on the web. It was titled “”Attraction to Young Girls — Evolution, not Perversion” by N.S. Aristoff. Apparently his reference was a book called “Sexual Nature, Sexual Culture” by Donald Symons. Unfortunately I have never read this book so I have to hesitate in outright recommending it. Articles such as this one: “http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Ephebophilia
and this one: “http://mwillett.org/mind/roving_eye.htm
make the claim that men are most attracted to 17 year old girls but they don’t provide links to studies and I have tried in vain to come across said study abstracts. I also want to state that I disagree of the author of the “Roving Eye” article’s statement that “grown men” trying to form consensual relationships with teenagers is “reprehensible”. The only thing reprehensible here is him pissing on intertgenerational relationships without offering ANY evidence as to why they are harmful to the participants. Anyway I am afraid to say that that is all that I can provide at this point I wish I could be of more help. If I come across anything else I will let you know.
WRT Japan…
There used to be a tradition in Japan called “compensated dating” were older men would pay high school girls to be their dates or even part time “compensated girlfriends”. Japanese U-18 (girls under 18) and U-15 (girls under 15) models are very popular in Japan and many Japanese men purchase “photobooks” featuring U18/U15 posing seductively in bikinis and other revealing attire. The most famous U18 model in Japan is probably Saaya Irie, I know I said that Oriental women are not my cup of tea but she is very much one of the exceptions! Male attraction to young girls is very common theme in Japanese Anime as well. Koi Kaze and Super Dimension Fortress Macross, for example, feature 15 year old girls being pursued by older men and other Anime series such as School Rumble and Girls High seem to be just excuses to admire animated teenaged beauty. But….what has been going wrong recently….
Unfortunately Japan is very vulnerable to U.S. trade sanctions, the Japanese are also very concerned about generating a positive image of themselves to the world (which unfortunately is infested with pedohysteria). In part as a response to international (especially American) pressure and to activism from Japanese Feminists laws were passed to crackdown on “compensated dating” and “teen prostitution”. Although the official Age of Consent in Japan is still 13 many Japanese prefectures have passed laws banning sex with girls under 16 or 18 depending on the prefecture. Also a law was passed banning all sexually sugestive images of “minors” however my understanding is that this is poorly enforced and U18/U15 photobook and modelling DVDs are still produced and obtained easily…they are just marketed as being “cute” instead of “sexy”. Ironically nationalists and “right-wingers” in Japan tend to be very pro-prostitution, pro-pornography and pro-adult/youth sexuality…a very different state of affairs from the Anglosphere.
WRT Britain…
Topless 16 year old Page 3 girls, contests to have sex with 16 year old porn stars…Canada should have remained a British Colony! Believe it or not British erotic materials featuring 16/17 year old girls were (still are) illegal in Canada even when our Age of Consent was lower than yours (used to be 14 until 2008 when it was raised to 16). BTW did you ever hear about the “Sexey’s Hot Twelve” controversy in the UK? Read about it here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/dec/15/schools.childprotection
WRT Europe…
The Netherlands used to have a law whereby sex with girls under 16 but over the age of 12 was legal with the approval of the girl and her parents or a social worker. This law was repealed after pressure from the usual suspects.
In Switzerland it appears that it is legal for girls ages 16 or 17 to voluntarily work as independent prostitutes, see this article: http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Experts_warn_of_teenage_prostitution_trend.html?cid=7002010
The Article is dated (2008) and I have not been able to find anything recent on the subject in english or french (the only languages I can speak/read). It would be interesting to find out if these girls enjoy safer/healtheir conditions than girls who work in jurisdictions were teen prostitution is suppressed. It would also be interesting to see what kind of fees they can command vs prostitutes from other age brackets…that would have some relevance to your discussion wrt peak age for sexual attractiveness.
I hope that you don’t mind that I have broken up my response to your post into several different comment fields, I just thought it would be better organized that way. This was one of my favorite posts of yours and it gave me a lot to write about…I look forward to reading your complete essay.
Lot of truth here. And courage. Let us help each other to overcome the effects of brainwashing!
Everyone is getting so efficiently brainwashed, even I almost forget that 16 year olds and younger nudes were common staple in all magazines just a few decades ago. And absolutely nobody thought anything about it.
Now I hope everyone runs up the attic to make sure they don’t have old issues of the Sun or other newspaper with 15 year old nudes, lest they will rot in jail.
I remember all magazines and newspapers published topless photos of Roman Polanski’s 12 or 13 year old “rape” “victim”. Am I right? Nowadays, possession of such a mainstream magazine or newspaper would be a felony punishable by 10 years in jail. I remember at that time the European press did not call Polanski’s deed a rape either.
You should also check the preference of females:
I think lots of 14 year old girls would LOVE to get a hot affair with 45 year old movie and rock stars (Mick Jagger a while ago, or even today; Brad Pitt, ..) . Or with aging Richard Gere, born on August 31, 1949.
Even just the heartthrob of their city, a car racer, a decently in shape industrialist of 33 years could be on their preferred list. Even among regular, non-rich, non-famous guys, I guess many many 15 year old girls prefer a 21 year old guy to a 15 year old guy.
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Thanks Highwayman, some great information and links there, I appreciate it. I might just continually work on this page, as with my myth of sex trafficking article. So any more useful links you find just leave a comment and I’ll try to incorporate it into the article. I’ll also have a seperate page for arguments for and against the present age of consent, as well as pro-prostitution and pro-porn pages.
I know that the last time I was in Switzerland (a couple of years ago) I walked into a sex shop and there was a huge party of schoolgirls (about 16), all perusing the vibrator selection like seasoned connoisseurs. I noticed on the door there was a sign saying ‘Over 16′s Only’. Switzerland isn’t a member of the EU, and I think only recently even joined the United Nations. So it’s managed to avoid many of the international treaties that other countries get blackmailed into signing by America and the UK.
It’s tragic what is happening regarding Japan. And just when they are on the point of developing 3D tactile holographics and sex robots!
Regarding females, it’s highly likely as you say that teenage girls would be naturally attracted to older men with status and resources. Feminists have had to invent the ultimate in shaming language to try to turn girls off older men (and yet still girls will fall in love easily with older guys).
I had a big problem with a plug-in recently and had to re-install my entire site (the hard way). I used to have dozens of categories, probably did more harm than good as far as the seo is concerned. I’m trying to make sure I get the categories right this time!
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If you haven’t already done so you should consider attacking feminism from a health perspective.
Men are (instinctively) most attracted to young women because they are far less likely to produce children with birth defects or other problems.
Feminists want to stop men from marrying young wives.
This means that feminists are actually contributing to the rising cost of healthcare!
Good point EWM and that’s definately something I will explore.
Slim waist holds sway in history: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6247625.stm
Visual cues to female physical attractiveness.: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10097394?dopt=Abstract
I hope these are useful to you, although I wish I could find a link to the full article.
Thanks Frank, they’re very useful and I’m sure they’ll lead me on to other resources too. I’m going to constantly update that article, so if you encounter any more good links down the line, please let me know.
Good job deleting poll data!
http://imgur.com/D0yWE.png
http://imgur.com/su923.png
very scientific (and worthwhile) to use dozens of proxy servers to multiple-vote…NOT!
Oh you’re such a liar. Your poll app doesn’t work through proxies. Nice job trying to save face though.
You must either be a 50 year old woman, or a guy with a serious grandma fetish.
I’m a guy who likes older women, so what? Trying to insult me because I caught you cheating? That’s low, man.
I suspect “Very Scientific” is neko001, a misandrist troll at Reddit MR:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/d0pad/poll_at_what_age_are_females_most_sexually/c0wovpj
Damnit Jay, I told you not to follow me here. Now everyone will know.
Ballsy post. I won’t bother leaving a long, well written,grammatically correct, intelligent message; I believe we should be able to fuck, whoever we want to fuck, with their consent and let the world get on with itself. And I can safely say that as a 16 year old female.
Thanks. Just remember to promise yourself to ALWAYS believe that!